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Nested Casework in Door Family & Visibility Graphics Controls

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kathrynEFU7T
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Nested Casework in Door Family & Visibility Graphics Controls

Can anyone help me figure out what's going on with my door family? I built these with a nested casework family for the door trim, so that I can filter out casework on my view template and have the doors show with no trim when needed. It's been working really well so far, but with this particular trim family I am running into visibility issues. The casing sweep is affected by the casework visibility overrides, but the plinth block sweeps are not. If I load the trim family directly into my project it works correctly - the problem is only when nested in the door family. I'm guessing it has something to do with inherent door family settings but I can't seem to find anything. What am I missing?

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ennujozlagam
als Antwort auf: kathrynEFU7T

check here, file attached , just untick interior trim and see if helps. thanks

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kathrynEFU7T
als Antwort auf: ennujozlagam

Unchecking interior trim turns the trim off in all views. I don't want to see it in plan, but I do want it to show up in section & elevation. I need to be able to control the category visibility per view, if that makes sense?

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ennujozlagam
als Antwort auf: kathrynEFU7T

i don't think it is possible in a nested family. unless you created a 2 type of door and hide in visibility setting in the other door? thanks

 

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kathrynEFU7T
als Antwort auf: kathrynEFU7T

Trying to revive this is possible... I am still running into issues with this and I'm not ready to give up. I've clarified what the specific issue is:

 

A nested family can be controlled by visibility graphics overrides when it is cut, but the override has no effect on the projected view (plan, section, elevation... even within the same view, only cut items will turn off with their category).

 

Is this really a known issue or am I missing something?

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RDAOU
als Antwort auf: kathrynEFU7T

@kathrynEFU7T 

 

Why don"t you use subcategories for the nested components? 

  • Edit the family
  • Edit the nested components (example the trim)
  • Add a new subcategory call it Trim
  • Select the extrusion and assign to that subcategory
  • Reload to family >> Reload to Project
  • Control visibility per view via Visibility Graphics Dialog 

 

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kathrynEFU7T
als Antwort auf: RDAOU

WOW I feel stupid, I was in the middle of responding that I can't when I realized how to do it. I was trying previously to assign the subcategory to the nested family from the parent family, which isn't an option. But I just needed to assign the geometry in the child family to be that subcategory.

 

I still find it inconceivable that the graphic overrides would work on cut items but not projected items, but that's a topic for another day. THANK YOU for helping me find the flaw in my understanding!

 

Now to go update all my door files.....

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RDAOU
als Antwort auf: kathrynEFU7T

@kathrynEFU7T 

 

You are welcome and no worries :leicht_lächelndes_Gesicht: we all miss out on the simplest functions sometime 

 

If you would like to elaborate on the override issue cut vs projection (maybe post an image) in this post or a new one, I would be more than glad to help on that one too

 

 

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kathrynEFU7T
als Antwort auf: RDAOU

I may have been wrong about that actually, I could swear it was working when cut in section, but I can't replicate that right now. So the issue as I understand it is that if my door trim is a casework family nested into a door family, when I turn off casework in the visibility graphics in PLAN, the door trim disappears, yet in every other type of view if I turn off casework, the trim remains visible. Which is just weird. But I'm perfectly happy to have the trim as a door subcategory anyway, that was the original plan.

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RDAOU
als Antwort auf: kathrynEFU7T

@kathrynEFU7T 

 

You are not mistaken...That is because the trim is not a shared family...for it to behave as casework and the casework category/subcategory to work as expected for the nested child when loaded into the project, the Trim casework family needs to be shared.

 

Otherwise...if you prefer a non-shared nested child, you would need to switch the category of the trims to doors and have the subcategory under doors

 

 

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kathrynEFU7T
als Antwort auf: RDAOU

I understand what you mean about how it would work when shared. I find it confusing that even though it is not shared, I can control it in the plan view (only) by that method. Regardless, I will think about whether to make the trim shared or or do it as a door subcategory. Thanks for your help!

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ToanDN
als Antwort auf: kathrynEFU7T

I would not over do with making nested components shared unless I needed to
tag and schedule them in project. They can clutter the family browser
pretty quickly and some other quirks such as the need to tick a box to
activate dynamic dimension.

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