MONOLITHIC STAIR TOP LEVEL

[Anonymous]

PLEASE I NEED HELP OR SUPPORT. I NEED THE STAIR TOP LEVEL LIKE THE BASE LEVEL.

IN THE BASE I CAN CONTROL THE EXTEND BELOW RISER BASE, WHY CAN´T CONTROL THE TOP?

PLEASE LOOK THE IMAGE.

THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE.

[RDAOU]

Hello @Anonymous

You can do the following:

1. Select Stair and click Edit Stairs on the Modify|Stair Menu (Ribbon)

2. In the Properties Dialoge > Uncheck "End with riser"

3. Go to the stair and click hold the upper blue grip at the top thread and drag it up/diagonally to align with top slab on the upper floor

4. You can do the same for the bottom thread if you wish (helps with the handrails later as well as the reinforcements when you add them)

5. Join Stair flight to Slab using join Geometry

See attached screencast

[Anonymous]

THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWER, BUT I THINK THAT REVIT MUST HAVE A BETTER SOLUTION.

WHY? BECAUSE WHEN I DO THAT CHANGES IN THE PLAN VIEW OF STAIRS WE CAN SEE MORE STEPS OF WHICH ARE REALLY.
IT WILL RESULT IN A CONFUSION IN PLAN VIEW. WITHOUT MENTION THE JOIN OF THE FLOOR WITH STAIRS, THE FLOOR HAVE A HOLE AND WHICH OPENS A GAP WHICH COULD BE A CONSTRUCTIVE ERROR WHEN I AM DEFINING THE EDGE BUILDING SLAB.

REGARDS,

[RDAOU]

@Anonymous

You are welcome...

The screencast was intended to show you how to level the top by getting rid of the end riser which is not meant for concrete stairs (ie: limited to the question of your original post).  How to model/edit the landing and slab, how to frame it to the slab and later render it so you wont see that line were not part of the screencast. To do that you need all the input in order to set the stair tool accordingly and I cannot guess or make assumption based on a request to clarify how to "Level thread with Slab"!

My sincere appologies for any misunderstanding and I'm sorry you didn't find the above helpful.

[Anonymous]

@RDAOU All the help and suggestion are well received. I will continue looking for a better solution, maybe in version 2018 ja, ja, ja 

[RDAOU]

@Anonymous

While on your quest; this is from a similar stair to that in the first reply; however, edited and finished (yet not final). As you may observe; it is nothing like what you showed in your screencast. You do need to work out the all parts stair/handrail/landing/slab/finishes. Unfortunately its is not a one off command/click option which one can do in the spare time. (I'm not sure if it is a one off command in any software.

🙂 Nonetheless; I hope Autodesk hears your prayers and develope a tool to do it in one command instead of three

[Anonymous]

@RDAOU IT IS AN EXCELLENT SOLUTION, IS SIMILAR AT FIRST.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE ARE USING REVIT NOT FOR RENDER, WE ARE USING FOR CONSTRUCTION PLANS. WE PROVIDE INFORMATION TO BUILD FOR ENGINEERS. AND THE INFORMATION MUST BE DETAILED AND ACCURATE, WITHOUT ERROS. ONE, JUST ONE RISER MORE IN THE PLAN VIEW AND THE BUILD IS NOT GOOD.

[RDAOU]

@Anonymous;

They all work in parallel between all disciplines; from the sketch you put in a paper to the first click and till the last piece of render  is placed (what is meant by render is the finishes you apply not the render command  you are refering to). This solution is not flawed and there are no tricks or errors in it. It is built and everyone content with it...You Just cannot do it in one click. You cant hide anything in revit what you see is what you get! Its not CAD

The raw revit command doesn't give a complete stair! One has to work it out to become one. I wish! if Revit would think and sort out everything for us from concept to handover in one command life would be so perfect! 

PS: Disregard the above solution I am prety sure you will find better...Just sharing thoughts now 🙂

[alex60]

Hi all, the only way to solve this problem is using a landing on top of the stair to form the end of stair correctly. If you used stair by component you will see that your stair needs one step more that is the landing that you did not draw. See the image below and see the results.

thanks, Alex

[RDAOU]

@alex60 a thread can substitute the landing (it's a mater of which detail will come out of it)...there are several solutions not just one. The basic idea is that the Stair must start and end with A component which is not part of the slab. Either a Landing or a Thread acting as landing.

In my opinion is that the confusion/error occures when one thinks that the slab can act as landing (in revit) while Revit is programmed to calculate it otherwise

[Anonymous]

REALLY, REALLY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR EVERYONE.

ALL YOUR COMMENTS ARE GOOD AND I CAN LEARNG SOMETING MOR EVERYDAY.

PLEASE LOOK THE SCREENCAST, @RDAOU @alex60

REGARDS,

[RDAOU]

Quote: You can't think CAD and work Revit

I didn't say that it came in BIM and Autodesk Tutorials 🙂

[Anonymous]

@RDAOU THE PROBLEM: THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING WORK IN CAD, AND I HAVE TO MODELING IN REVIT. THE INFORMATION HAVE TO BE EXACTLY! 

[jonathan_moreno]

This incident is currently being investigated for a possible cause and solution. 

[jonathan_moreno]

There could be two solutions: improve the current floor and stair geometry joining. Another is to provide another landing which could connect the upper and below stairs.

[Anonymous]

Jonathan

Good to know Autodesk are reviewing this as it is a long-awaited improvement for Revit.  The Stair by component ability introduced in 2014 was a big leap but this joint condition was forgotten, it appears.  Work-arounds like using a faux top landing (not that easy anyway) or increasing the stair by an additional riser is frought with problems.  Both "options" result in wrong quantities and incorrect graphics in most views.  e.g. with the latter option, the plans appear to show an additional riser, the stair path extends too far, the stair numbering is wrong, etc, etc.

For me, until this is fixed, masking regions in sections and linework in details are the only option.  I give plans the precedence. as tehy always look right (Architecturally)

Edit: The ability to "Extend Below Riser Base" can assist at the base of the stair.  It would be great to have a similar option at the top of the stair, e.g. "Extend Above Riser Top"

[Anonymous]

when Uncheck "End with riser" and extend it using blue arrows, there is still gap because slab thickness and staircase riser height is different. Thank you.