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Materials have visually changed after upgrading Model from Revit 2020 to Revit 2022

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ccabralS4X5J
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Materials have visually changed after upgrading Model from Revit 2020 to Revit 2022

Hello,
After upgrading my Revit model from 2020 to 2022, all of my materials look different. I still have the 2020 version saved, and when I open it there, materials look correct. I tried upgrading another previous save of the model (2020) to 2022, and it changed the visuals of my materials again - just like it did the first time. I have the model open in 2020 and 2022 at the same time and I have gone into manage materials in both. When comparing the material settings side by side, everything is the same within them, but visually they are different. Render settings, and graphic display settings are all the same... It seems, the only variable is the year. I attached 2 snips of the same area of the same perspective: one from 2020, and the other from 2022. I can't seem to find anything about this online, I hope someone could help me.
Thank you,
Christiana

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barthbradley
als Antwort auf: ccabralS4X5J

Yes, Materials are different now with the introduction of PBR Materials and "Real-Time" Realistic Views. 

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ccabralS4X5J
als Antwort auf: barthbradley

Thanks for the reply.
I'm not really sure what that means, but it sounds like you're implying all of my materials are suppose to look completely different.
So, I have a glass material with the color set to blue and a transparency of 12. in 2022, that apparently means a transparency of 100 and not blue at all... How do I get it to be blue with a transparency of 12 again?
The biggest issue is this project has been ongoing since 2016, and I have much too many materials to redo all over again.
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barthbradley
als Antwort auf: ccabralS4X5J

Six years you have been upgrading this one project??? Wow! 

 

In any case, I don't know what to say.  I sense your frustration, but frankly it sounds trivial. I mean, if it bothers you so much, then don't upgrade the Project.  BTW, how did the rest of the Project upgrade go?  Good?  

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ccabralS4X5J
als Antwort auf: barthbradley

It has been a project done in many phases, that ive had to pick up and put down over the years. It has gone through many Revit upgrades.. never had an issue like this.
I'm not frustrated, but genuinely confused by this. Is there no way to make it look how it did before the upgrade? I truly don't understand how to make a material look a certain way now, when the material settings area already correct... It would be one thing to have to go through and change all the materials to look how they did before, except they are already set to how they were before.
Is there a general rule or reason to why things changed, I doubt its just "it doesn't look like how the settings tell it to"... do you see what I mean by "genuinely confused"?... I mean, what is telling the glass that 12% transparent blue should be 100% no color?
I haven't noticed any other issues, and I originally figured the materials changed because of something I did. It wasn't until I went back to a 2020 save and re-upgraded it that I realized it was only changing from the upgrade itself.
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barthbradley
als Antwort auf: ccabralS4X5J

It's pretty difficult to see what you are seeing. But regarding the transparency thing: are you talking about the Material's Realistic/Render Appearance or Graphic representation?    

 

BTW: I see dead people because I've got the Sixth Sense.  he, he.  

 

 

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ccabralS4X5J
als Antwort auf: barthbradley

In the material appearance tab in both projects, my glass is set to a blue with transparency set to 12 (see attached)... in the 2020 model, my window glass looks blue and slightly transparent. In 2022, it looks full transparent clear (I had attached an image of both in my first entry)... 2022 seems to be "understanding" the material appearance differently than 2020. (side note, 2022 is also showing my window frames transparent when the material is not.)
This is going to be a really big giant mess when it comes to our project template... I'm going to have to learn more about these PBR materials and "real time" realistic views" that you referred to in your first response.. Did everyone already deal with this when they upgraded to 2021? If this wasn't a huge problem for everyone at some point, I'm shocked.
It's a good thing you have a sixth sense, how else will you solve everyone's Revit problems? lol

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barthbradley
als Antwort auf: ccabralS4X5J

So the Material Settings are identical between 2020 and 2022?  You're not utilizing a PBR Asset, so that doesn't matter. You're using the legacy "Generic" Asset. So, what you are seeing in your Realistic View is the result of the new "Real Time" Realistic, as I mentioned at the onset. 

 

 Have you tried? Real-time realistic views in Revit 2021 - Revit (autodesk.com)

 

Regarding the Window Frames: I'd have to examine the Project.  Could be any number of reasons they appear transparent.  I would first suspect the Material.  I'm guessing you've already gone there.  

 

Make sure you apply the latest update.  

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ccabralS4X5J
als Antwort auf: barthbradley

Ok, it sounds like my issue is that 2022 doesn't support these "generic" assets anymore... at least not like how 2020 does... I haven't used  2021, going straight from 2020 to 2022. I will learn about these new PBR assets and real time features, like you said. Thanks a lot for your time!

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barthbradley
als Antwort auf: ccabralS4X5J


@ccabralS4X5J wrote:

Ok, it sounds like my issue is that 2022 doesn't support these "generic" assets anymore... at least not like how 2020 does... I haven't used  2021, going straight from 2020 to 2022. I will learn about these new PBR assets and real time features, like you said. Thanks a lot for your time!


 

What I'm saying is 2022 Realistic is different from 2020 Realistic.  2022 Realistic applies lighting effects.  

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arch.supremist
als Antwort auf: ccabralS4X5J

I have had the same issue with the 'Realistic' Visual Style display mode with Revit version 2021 and on.  Just as you showed in your attached images, the Realistic ("render lite") model display mode now has sort of yellowish haze wash over, in 3D view and elevation view.  2020 and older versions display the image texture map generated materials as well as typical colors properly just as had always since I began using Revit almost 15 years ago.  Just as you have, I have tried adjusting the "White Point", "Saturation", "Shadows", and "Highlight" values but haven't had very much success getting it back to the normal from previous versions of Revit.

Did you ever find a definitive fix for this Visual Style display mode?

 

Thanks.

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sethY4EWK
als Antwort auf: ccabralS4X5J

I'm having the same problem. Just upgraded from Revit LT 2020 to Revit LT 2022 and the materials colors as shown in Realistic View are significantly different, for the worse. Sort of a yellow tint added to everything. Is there a fix for this or do we need to start adjusting our material settings to account for this change?

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