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Material Take off Schedule in place of a Door Schedule

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Material Take off Schedule in place of a Door Schedule

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How are people scheduling materials in a door schedule? Up until now, we have been using text parameters. no link to an actual material, or we have relied on the material name.

 

In a door schedule, you can only schedule 'Material' which is the name or custom material parameters you create. 

 

BUT a material take off schedule of doors, gives you all the material 'identity' parameters for scheduling. 

 

So, assuming most people in an office schedule the frame finish, leaf finish etc etc in their door schedules, is everyone using a material take off schedule instead of a regular door schedule in Revit? It gives you all the door parameters AND the material parameters. 

 

Or am I missing somethig really obvious as to why this is a dumb idea? It just seems strange to me that I haven't ever heard of this as a solution before and that I never thought of it until now. I am waiting for someone to point out something really obvious I may have over looked. 

 

I have rebuilt the door schedule in a past project using a material take off and I haven't been able to fault it yet.... same would go for our window and joinery schedules. 

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chrisplyler
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Hmmmm I've never tried it. If I want that much detail I do a key schedule for door styles to include materials, finishes, etc., and another key schedule for hardware sets.

 

Sounds like maybe a decent idea though.

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Yes, I usually use key schedules for basic door type text data, never thought to include materials though. Its just all manual entry.  

But in your key schedule, is it all text or have you used a material parameter? If so, was it just the name or something custom? Have you managed to use the 'mark' value for example from materials identity in your key schedules? 

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chrisplyler
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Never tried that. I'm not usually bothered by manually entering materials, because I'm not ever using a long list of different door types/styles on a project. So the few combinations I might have can be manually set up in a key schedule pretty quickly.

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That's fair enough. We tend to place material tags on doors in internals, so we are trying to reduce coordination between the drawings and schedules. This is for a commercial application though, so our material lists and coordination needs do get quite extensive. 

 

Thanks for the input Chris! No other replies so maybe this is a secret!! 

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chrisplyler
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I usually do industrial jobs. So mostly just hollow metal and paint. Maybe one type wood leaf for office spaces, still with hollow metal frame. A sprinkling of vision lites on the occasional job. If it's really fancy there might be one alum/glass storefront double door. Heck I don't even call out the hollow metal frame profiles. I just let the door supplier figure out what I need based on the wall. I've usually got more variety in the hardware sets than I do in materials/finishes.

 

Still, even if the fields were in the families, you've got to either make them instance paramaters and go around setting each one, or make them type parameters and pick the right type every time you place one, and go back and change the types if you change your mind. It's not too difficult to set multiple doors in just a minute, right in the door schedule, to a particular key schedule key value. Or to change a key schedule value that populates everywhere if, for example, it is decided to make all dark stained doors a light cherry stain instead or whatever.

 

Now if you're tagging the doors in views with materials, yeah, I don't have any idea if a tag's label can be made to pick up a value from a related key schedule or not. I'll have to try that over the weekend.

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It doesn't work. 

 

I tried a test on a larger commerical job with more complex doors with multiple materials and the kink in the armour showed. 

 

Basic example. Door with two materials, one for frame, one for panel.

When you schedule it using material take off, and you want it to show the 'mark' parameter for the material. Because there is two materials and only one 'mark' cell, it lists the door twice to show each material mark. 

 

So the only way this would work, is in the naming of the material. Because you can list each parameter for each material which displays the name. So that just brings us back to an original door schedule.  

 

I attached an image, excuse the wierd coding. 

 

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chrisplyler
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Bummer. I guess it makes sense. It wouldn't be logical for a material takeoff schedule, which is of course designed to itemize material items, to lump two materials into a single line item representing one door family.

 

I also find that door tags cannot pull label values from related key schedule fields.

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