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Material hatch alignment with nested families

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Keith_Wilkinson
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Material hatch alignment with nested families

Just in the process of creating an external door family - it's a timber door and I've created a material to show the kind of relief we expect to see on the face.  The leafs and the over panel are both nested families with a material parameter assigned.

 

Everything works fine except for the alignment of the surface pattern. 

 

I'm fairly sure there is no way for me to control this alignment (I can work around the issue by including the over panel as part of the leaf so it's not holding me back) but thought it was maybe worth asking to see if anyone else had come up against this or maybe has a solution?

 

Cheers

 

K.



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Maimonides
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cbcarch
als Antwort auf: Keith_Wilkinson

If it is a model hatch / fill pattern, you can Tab and adjust the lines--as you have nested families, you may need to do this in the family itself, save and load into host family. Then load into project. Not sure if you can Tab to edit the model hatch in the nested family from inside the project?

Cliff B. Collins
Registered Architect The Lamar Johnson Collaborative Architects-St. Louis, MO
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rosskirby
als Antwort auf: Keith_Wilkinson

Would it be possible for you to upload the family for testing?  I think I had this same problem once before, and I believe I solved it by making the nested family Shared, but I can't recall.

Ross Kirby
Principal
Dynamik Design
www.dynamikdesign.com
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Keith_Wilkinson
als Antwort auf: rosskirby

Cliff,  whilst you can select the hatch lines if you try to align them it moves the whole family, not just the hatch.

 

Ross, sample family attaached which shows the problem.  I've not tried doing it with sharing the nested families as this would break the links for the parameters but if it fixed the problem it might be worth exploring further.



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Maimonides
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ToanDN
als Antwort auf: Keith_Wilkinson

I aligned the pattern in the nested families and reload them back to the host family.  Seems to work.

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cbcarch
als Antwort auf: ToanDN

"If it is a model hatch / fill pattern, you can Tab and adjust the lines--as you have nested families, you may need to do this in the family itself, save and load into host family. Then load into project."

 

Yep. As I mentioned earlier. Smiley (zwinkernd)

Cliff B. Collins
Registered Architect The Lamar Johnson Collaborative Architects-St. Louis, MO
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Keith_Wilkinson
als Antwort auf: ToanDN

thanks Toan, except there's a slight problem - because the nested familes are shared they can no longer be driven by parameters in the host which would result in my door being rather restricted... Which brings me back to my original assumption that it isn't possible to align the hatch of a nested family in the parent - or am I missing something else?

 

Clif, my response was in relation to this comment "Not sure if you can Tab to edit the model hatch in the nested family from inside the project?" - as far as I can see you can't as it moves the whole nested family, not the hatch.



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Maimonides
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ToanDN
als Antwort auf: Keith_Wilkinson

Looks like you have hit the limitation of family nesting right in the head. This maybe a case where you want to model some, or all, components directly in the family. I even think that you may need to use an in-project system family such as a curtain wall, so that you will be able to paint each surface more freely.
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Keith_Wilkinson
als Antwort auf: ToanDN

In this instance it's actually pretty straightforward to build the over panel into the door leaf family.  by using nested families it just makes the family more robust and easier to adapt to different needs, all in it's working fine save for this minor hiccup.

 

thanks for your help.

 

K.



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Maimonides
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Keith_Wilkinson
als Antwort auf: Keith_Wilkinson

to provide a final solution or summary to this thread - currently you cannot align hatch patterns within the parent family.

 

You can align the hatch in the sub family if it is shared but this will remove the ability to use linked parameters (and hence the ability to vary the size and material of the sub family).

 

Thanks everyone for your input.



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Maimonides
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Keith_Wilkinson
als Antwort auf: Keith_Wilkinson

Addendum.  

 

You can link the parameters in the host family provided all the parameters are instance parameters.  



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Maimonides

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