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How would you model a curbstone in Revit?

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Haider_of_Sweden
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How would you model a curbstone in Revit?

I managed to create a somewhat okay-looking curbstone using railings.

The hack I had to add was using balusters to mimic the seams between each curb. Not so nice though.

 

Is it possible to create splits/divisions in the rail itself?

 

Any better tip how to create curbstones? Keep in mind that the curbstones need to follow round edges, not only straight lines.

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ToanDN
als Antwort auf: Haider_of_Sweden

I may use Slab edge around a pavement floor.
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hmunsell
als Antwort auf: Haider_of_Sweden

instead of a Railing, how about a Curtain wall? you cna set the horizontal panel distance to what is needed for a stone. then set the mullions to None. For the "panels" you can select a 10" Concrete wall. 

 

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Haider_of_Sweden
als Antwort auf: ToanDN

that was my fist way.

Then I went with railings to achieve this look.

Curbstone in plan viewCurbstone in plan view

 

not so nice in 3d view though

Curbstone in 3d viewCurbstone in 3d view

 

Can a railing, which is made out of a profile, have splits ever X cm? Or any other way?

Or can the baluster (the white thing in the screen shot is a baluster) be a void instead? Right now, when I export this to FBX, I end up with those small sticks. Also, its not nice.

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Haider_of_Sweden
als Antwort auf: hmunsell

@hmunsell  You wrote  your answer while I replied to @ToanDN :grinsendes_Gesicht:

 

Let me check it out and get back to you with some feedback.

in the meanwhile, if anyone else has yet another solution, please share with the community.

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hmunsell
als Antwort auf: Haider_of_Sweden


@Haider_of_Sweden wrote:

Can a railing, which is made out of a profile, have splits ever X cm? Or any other way?

Or can the baluster (the white thing in the screen shot is a baluster) be a void instead? Right now, when I export this to FBX, I end up with those small sticks. Also, its not nice.


"my" answer to both questions is i don't think so, cant say i ever tried though :leicht_lächelndes_Gesicht: why doesn't the Curtain wall option work for you? you can create a thin mullion ans set the material to be transparent if you don't want to see it.

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hmunsell
als Antwort auf: Haider_of_Sweden

LOL, and i replied thinking that you were saying you had already tried curtain walls..... LOL

 

well, give it a try and let me know if you have any issues. :leicht_lächelndes_Gesicht:

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ToanDN
als Antwort auf: Haider_of_Sweden

You can create a mass with spline, divide it, and place a 3-point adaptive family and repeat it.

 

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Haider_of_Sweden
als Antwort auf: hmunsell

Finally, I got the time and tried out solving it with curtain walls. 

 

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I provide the rvt-file (v2017 - let me know if you use an older version and I provide screenshots of the different steps and such) and maybe others find it useful.

 

A question though:

Why aren't curved supported? Or am I doing anything wrong?

Haider_of_Sweden_1-1594927656930.png

 

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hmunsell
als Antwort auf: Haider_of_Sweden

so like this..... :lächelndes_Gesicht_mit_lächelnden_Augen:

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use a basic wall for the panel, then they will curve.

 

i just duplicated an existing Basic wall, deleted all the Finish layers and changed the material of the structure to Concrete. see attached screencast.....

https://autode.sk/2WrlV7a

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Haider_of_Sweden
als Antwort auf: hmunsell

I knew about using normal walls as panels to make them bend.

The disadvantage is that you cannot have a profile as in my previous post. You might want that.

 

This is my latest result. Still Curtain walls, still profile. I had to create a new family for the round corner panel, with revolved profiles, predefined with the desired radius.

rounded curbstonesrounded curbstones

 

It's a quick and ugly solution. Something with the revolve didn't work correctly, or maybe the family is faulty. For example, I don't see the correlation between the revolve axis-line and the revolved volume's actual centre point.

If anyone could please take a look?

 

In the screenshot, you can see that the 300mm, which I created with the same principle as the two other, doesn't fit properly. Not sure why.

The upper right corner needs to be fixed as well. A mullion, L-shaped or other will still not work since the profile works up>down. I need a profile that is defined from the side. I guess I'll have to create something similar to above, but corner edge instead of the round edge.

 

For anyone interested, I provided an updated Revit file (2017) with the solution shown in the screenshot above.

Update (and updated Revit file):

Two of the corners OK, two of them have offsets.Two of the corners OK, two of them have offsets.

 

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hmunsell
als Antwort auf: Haider_of_Sweden

since your using Certain walls, have you considered trying Corner Mullions for those conditions instead of a panel? I've never  used them for curves, but may be something to look into. see if you can make a corner mullion as a curve. 

https://help.autodesk.com/view/RVT/2020/ENU/?guid=GUID-97612CCF-ADA8-4CF5-9EB3-D6DB37069D06

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Haider_of_Sweden
als Antwort auf: hmunsell

For this kind of profile-curbstone, I will stick to my solution for the corners. The corner mullion doesn't support a profile from the side, only top-down.

 

 

But what about this offset thing, does anyone have a clue why it happens? Revit-file provided in my previous post

Two of the corners OK, two of them have offsets.Two of the corners OK, two of them have offsets.

 
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martijn_pater
als Antwort auf: Haider_of_Sweden

As an alternative idea you could create the curb as structural framing family and pick the slab lines (curves) & slice (manually, which is not ideal I suppose...)

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bin
Advisor
als Antwort auf: Haider_of_Sweden

I prefer railing, much faster.

This one took 30 secs.

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bin
Advisor
als Antwort auf: bin

Sorry, I mean take 25 sec to draw the floor, and 5 sec to draw those 2 railings...

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Haider_of_Sweden
als Antwort auf: bin

Can you provide the RVT file?

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bin
Advisor
als Antwort auf: Haider_of_Sweden

Here you go.

It's a Vicroad(Australia) kerb profile.

You can Tab pick edges to quickly place, and also Pick New if the floor level is changed.

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martijn_pater
als Antwort auf: bin

@binnice,that works very well, best practise thing perhaps, and you can use slice on this aswell if you have to cut it at specific places/different measurements etc.

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Haider_of_Sweden
als Antwort auf: bin

Hello again @bin 

 

I updated my Curtain wall approach, this time no need for mullions and the chamfers are built in.

Haider_of_Sweden_0-1596358079324.png

Do you know a way to create chamfers like this when using Railings?

Having chamfered edges is nicer when exporting from Revit to 3dsMax for render.

 

From what I understand, balusters don't support curved railing path (they don't adapt to the curves or bends in a path), correct? Otherwise, the balusters could've been modelled like a curbstone instead of the top rail being the curbstone.

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