Hello,
I've placed some windows in the model. A part of those windows are flipped.
Question:
How can I recognize which windows are flipped?
Kind regards,
peter smith
This one is for doors but it may shed a light for you to get the information for windows.
Hello,
There is usually an exterior and interior side for window families.
If I were you, I would:
1. Open the window family
2. In the family, Go to a plan view - Ref. Level.
In this view, the top half from the "Centre" reference line is usually the exterior side, and the bottom is the interior side.
3. Look for where the "Flip" arrow has been placed. Is it on the exterior side or the interior side? (Move it if you want to)
The location of the "Flip" arrow will help you determine which windows are in the wrong side in your Revit file.
4. Reload this family into your project if you changed anything.
5. Click on your windows (one by one) and see if the "Flip" arrow is showing up on the proper side (Exterior or Interior)
In the image attached, it is showing where the Floor Plan - Ref. Level can be found, the Exterior and Interior side of the window, and also the "Flip" Arrow
EDIT: If the glass is clearly on the exterior or interior side, you can use this as a reference instead of the "Flip" arrow.
I am working on Window Shop drawings where the natural orientation is flipped from the way revit shows exterior and interior. One always details windows from the Exterior folks! How to best re-orient this in the family i am making. I don't care about seeing the interior elevation as we are documenting the EXTERIOR frame system and it should be on the lower part of the plan.
Mahalo in advance
But this is not what makes sense . . . when looking at a plan from the perspective of a window frame surely it is more clear to see what is going on if that is on the lower part!
Hi
first of all the window family itself should be correct , modelled exterior to exterior side and interior to interior side.
if that’s wrongly modeled then pls fix that
secondly if you don’t what to fix the exterior and interior side of window then you may choose of use a new window family and nest the old one.. and use this new family which is oriented correctly..
Usually in annotation/ exterior elevation side of window, you may choose of place some 3d model line to identify the exterior side and it’s easy to fix all the windows in elevation but flipping ( use space bar )
experienced Revit user fixes the orientation on plan itself, cause it’s easy to see and flip using flip arrows...
hope that helps
cheers
Well i was able to adjust the default window family (renaming it to EXT down), changed the label of EXTERIOR to INTERIOR, and visa versa (first time i forgot to change the view name as well so it didn't function properly) but when it finally dawned on me while i was talking to my client - always happens @ odd times revelations eh? So now it works as one would logically expect an exterior window to have it's plan with the Exterior side down so you don't have to (as all the tutorials remind you "flip" left and right. That is insanity itself.
The family now works properly and all is good
Mahalo for efforts to straighten me out . . . it's been six years making revit mistakes and i am surely reaching some kind of mastery of dumb things to do eh?
I have the same issue with how the Window Template is setup. I tried changing the name of the view and it still doesn't work for me.
If you watch closely we influence the placement (in plan views) of the exterior side of a window by which side of the wall we click on. The stock windows have the Exterior side of windows and doors at the top of the view but that is in the family editor. That world is not a shop drawing environment, it's a modelling and constraint building world.
What is wrong (in my view) is that when you place windows (or doors) in a 3D view or elevation View Revit doesn't provide a way to provide this input (picking on the correct side of the wall). If we place a window in an interior elevation a stock window will face outside (exterior side is out), that works for me. If we place a window in an exterior elevation view the window doesn't face the exterior, it is backward. I can fix it with the Space Bar to flip the orientation so it is easy but still it would be better if the exterior side of the wall was related to the exterior orientation of a family.
Steve Stafford
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@Anonymous wrote:
I disagree respectfully Steve, as you are a Revitmaster . . . but i find the ability (which i was able to solve by flipping the exterior to down and renaming the views ; Now this is correct in the world of Architecture. Nobody lays out an elevation of the exterior of a building without the plan below and “carrying up the plan elements knowing that one is not looking in a mirror . . . that is just bloody annoying. But it is an annoying if simple adjustment. Easier than remembering to “flip” the left/right reading in my mind when one is laying out elevations. Especially when anticipating the shop drawings aspect.
Regardless; revit should make the option available system wide in my opine![]()
The issue the the window family template is wrong from the get go - the exterior side is labeled as interior and vice versa. Most users don't know it until they need to report the exterior window location based on the interior rooms.
When you say "flipping the exterior to down and renaming the views", do you mean you have to flip the geometry of the window inside the family or simply flipping the label? If the former then it is along with how I have fixed it. if the latter then I find it is hard to believe.
For complex window families with lot of constraints in place, it likely breaks when mirrored. In such case, I had to nest the original family into another window family and flip it.
@ToanDN What are you considering the interior side of a window? In the stock families, the From Room values for a window report the interior side of the window family. If I flip the geometry of the family then the interior side is the outside of the building for an exterior wall or a corridor instead of a room.
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The family editor environment isn't a drafting world, nor shop drawing world. Swapping the labels or renaming the views doesn't change the placement behavior in a Revit project. I must not understand what you're trying to do or where you're trying to do it.
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@SteveKStafford wrote:
@ToanDN What are you considering the interior side of a window? In the stock families, the From Room values for a window report the interior side of the window family. If I flip the geometry of the family then the interior side is the outside of the building for an exterior wall or a corridor instead of a room.
I am considering the interior side is the side of the room that reports the windows when I create a Room schedule with an embedded window schedule. The From Room and To Room information from a Window schedule are rather irrelevant because they can swap on the schedule without even flipping the window physically on plan.
In the example below, if I would like the (a) windows to be included in the Room schedule and remain on the exterior side of the wall, the only way is to edit the family and flip it. Changing From Room/ To Room, or changing the Room Location arrow, doesn't help.
p/s: the experiment was from answering another users. I myself do not schedule windows using Room location.
Interesting. I get that result from the stock windows without doing anything to them.
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