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How to create a generic "Metric Window - Curtain Wall" family

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Anonymous
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How to create a generic "Metric Window - Curtain Wall" family

Hi All

 

I wish to create a generic curtain wall (openable window) BIM Object like a generic window that can be placed anywhere in the curtain wall to make that as a smoke vent.

 

When I tried to create a generic Window - curtain wall, I couldn't make it as parametric like a generic window. 

 

Can anyone please guide me how to create a generic Curtain wall window as a parametric BIM object to save that in my library.

 

Many thanks

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Alfredo_Medina
als Antwort auf: Anonymous

Start a new family with the Window - Curtain Wall.rft template, and create the window there. Then load it into a project, select a panel from a curtain wall, and replace that panel with the new family.


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Anonymous
als Antwort auf: Alfredo_Medina

Hi Alfredo

 

Thanks for your help.

 

I have tried it, but the object is not parametric like a generic window.

 

Can you please guide me how to make the "metric Window - Curtain Wall" family as parametric, so that I can use the same object in different dimensions.

 

Thanks again

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Anonymous
als Antwort auf: Anonymous

Um...please post your family so we can see what you are doing incorrectly...

 

The curtain wall panel works great as long as you constrain to the reference planes....making it parametric without having to specify length and height parameters...this is controlled by the curtain wall grids.

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Anonymous
als Antwort auf: Anonymous

Hi, Thanks for the support.

 

Herewith attached the curtain wall panel that I am working on, can you please guide me to make it parametric?

 

Many Thanks

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RDAOU
als Antwort auf: Anonymous

@Anonymous

 

By parametric i think he is means an operable curtain panel (closes and opens with an angle parameter or an yes/no one similar to a normal window insert) 

 

 

@Anonymous

I can try to post something in the next few hours if I manage with the little free time I have here AND if no one by then have already posted something feasible. Besides : ) Medina never runs out of ideas he just might have been too tiered to elaborate on his initial reply

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Kimtaurus
als Antwort auf: Anonymous

I had a look at your family.

First of, delete the Height and Width parameters you added. Height and width of curtain panels are hard coded in the family, you don't have to add them.

Second, I noticed some of the dimensions of the frame weren't locked, this caused the frame to become very wide, when you have a wide window.

Aside from that, the family looks ok.

CP window 1.PNGCP window 2.PNG

 

What exactly do you want to make parametric? Materials? Profile Size? Glass thickness?

For the frame, you could also a loaded profile and make this profile family parametric.

I'd suggest looking at other families and see how they are built, to understand how the parameters work.

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RDAOU
als Antwort auf: Kimtaurus


@Anonymous wrote:

Hi All

 

I wish to create a generic curtain wall (openable window) BIM Object like a generic window that can be placed anywhere in the curtain wall to make that as a smoke vent.

 

When I tried to create a generic Window - curtain wall, I couldn't make it as parametric like a generic window. 

 

Can anyone please guide me how to create a generic Curtain wall window as a parametric BIM object to save that in my library.

 

Many thanks

 


Unless I do not understand what a Parametrically Openable Window is or means...I am starting to believe that I am imagining things lol can anyone read the above part of the OP marked in red?!

 

@Anonymous

 

It can be as easy as

  1. Select one Panel in the curtain wall
  2. Unpin it and replace with a normal wall type
  3. Change wall type material and thickness to match the glass Panel
  4. Now host the normal generic Window Family which you have (the one with the angle Parameter) on that Panel just as you would host it normally on a wall

And you got yourself an operable window in a curtain wall without going through the headaches and hassle

 

door.PNG

 

You can also model  a Panel which is operable...if that's what you want and no one feels like screencasting the method to do it ...I will gladly do later in the evening. 

 

Cheers

 

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Keith_Wilkinson
als Antwort auf: RDAOU

I *think* he's just looking for a window that has the graphical appearance of an openable window rather than one that has an 'open' and 'closed' variable in it.

 

I've not looked at the actual family but I suspect the confusion for the OP is that the width and height are driven by the curtain wall they are inserted into rather than with specific parameters within the family as you would with a normal window - could be wrong though.



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Anonymous
als Antwort auf: Kimtaurus

Hi Mate 

 

With parametric curtain wall window object I could make it to select number of push points/handles that would be needed to open/close the window based on its height & Width parameters.

 

Ex. If Width<1000mm one handle will be needed. If Width>1000mm and <1500mm two handles like that, so that it will be automatically selected based on its width parameter.

 

Thanks again

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Keith_Wilkinson
als Antwort auf: Anonymous

If you set your width and height parameters to be Instance and Reporting then create a Yes/No parameter and add an 'If' statement to the function you will be able to achieve what you want using visibility parameters.

 

For example if you have a handle that want's to appear when the width is greater than 1500mm create a yes/no parameter called Handle Visibility and in the formula section add if(Width > 1500 mm, 1 > 0, 1 < 0).  Then in the model select the handle elements and link their visibility to this parameter.

 

You can develop more complex if statements look here for asssitance  :  http://www.revitforum.org/tutorials-tips-tricks/1046-revit-formulas-everyday-usage.html

 

Hope that makes sense... Smiley (zwinkernd)



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Anonymous
als Antwort auf: Keith_Wilkinson

Thanks a lot mate... Will try it :leicht_lächelndes_Gesicht:



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RDAOU
als Antwort auf: Keith_Wilkinson

Somewhat true ... Still it would be a question of operability and control...both panels would be foreign to the CW system (that modeled from a panel template with an integrated window driven by the panel size later) vs (a system panel replaced by a system wall and a generic window instance placed into it driven by what is defined in the window family rather than the curtain wall)

 

Both are doable...the latter is simpler and quicker less than a couple of mins to pull it off...both have pros and cons... I would wait and see if the OP manages and if he would share the outcome to see what he did

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Keith_Wilkinson
als Antwort auf: RDAOU

Agreed - I was just working within what he had created already but as you say both options are viable solutions.


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