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Hiding detail items under 3d objects

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LyleHardin
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Hiding detail items under 3d objects

Hopefully I worded that right...

We have a few buildings linked into a larger Revit project and the Project Manager wants to show the exterior outlets and switches but not the interior outlets & switches of these buildings. Since these are annotative detail items, they are not hidden under the roof like the rest of the equipment in the building is. Is there a way to hide detail items under objects? How can we show only the exterior outlets without showing the interior outlets?

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barthbradley
als Antwort auf: LyleHardin

Sounds like you want a Link to show "by Linked View" (set through VG Overrides). Am I warm? 

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LyleHardin
als Antwort auf: barthbradley

Close, I think. But we would have to Hide by Element to hide the interior items vs the exterior items.

I think a view filter might work if we tag the interior items with some attribute the filter can find. The fact that the buildings are linked into the main model is making it difficult.

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ToanDN
als Antwort auf: LyleHardin

Open the link files and put the exterior and interior items on 2 separate worksets. Then you can turn off the interior workset via VG link in the host file.
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LyleHardin
als Antwort auf: ToanDN

I've often heard using worksets as a means to control visibility is a bad practice. 

But, if that's the only workaround for the moment, we may end up using it.

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benhagerman
als Antwort auf: LyleHardin

Using Worksets to control visibility IS a bad practice, use a filter instead. I have created an instance parameter called "Filter" to control just these types of things.

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ToanDN
als Antwort auf: LyleHardin


@LyleHardin wrote:

I've often heard using worksets as a means to control visibility is a bad practice. 

But, if that's the only workaround for the moment, we may end up using it.


They are just tools in a toolbox.  You can choose to use whatever you are comfortable with and is more efficient for specific tasks. 

 

Is assigning elements under the exterior scope in Exterior workset so that you can close/hide it for interior folks a bad practice?  I didn't think so.

 

With that said, I am open to listen to folk who claim is it a bad practice to explain why.

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benhagerman
als Antwort auf: ToanDN

When sharing models between disciplines worksets for visibility would need to be communicated, very thoroughly and would still be cumbersome to understand what someone was thinking. Often times, smaller consulting firms disable worksharing altogether, thus deleting all worksets and any associated vis. control. You will likely see consultants drawings with a bunch off stuff showing that you did not intend to have turned on, only because they couldn't figure out how to turn it off.

 

Worksets are best used to separate model type elements and links to shorten load time. When opening a model the user has the option to specify which worksets to load and chose to not load a larger workset that might slow down their load time or model navigation.

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ToanDN
als Antwort auf: benhagerman


@benhagerman wrote:

When sharing models between disciplines worksets for visibility would need to be communicated, very thoroughly and would still be cumbersome to understand what someone was thinking. Often times, smaller consulting firms disable worksharing altogether, thus deleting all worksets and any associated vis. control. You will likely see consultants drawings with a bunch off stuff showing that you did not intend to have turned on, only because they couldn't figure out how to turn it off.

 

It sounds like the people are the incompetent party here, not the tool.  

 

 

Worksets are best used to separate model type elements and links to shorten load time. When opening a model the user has the option to specify which worksets to load and chose to not load a larger workset that might slow down their load time or model navigation.

 

I agree everyone should already know this is what worksets are for.   But if you are persistent with your above argument, do you think users need not to know which worksets are for so that they can open/ close the right ones?  I don't think so.  Again, it is all about people and not about the tool.

 


 

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barthbradley
als Antwort auf: ToanDN


@ToanDN wrote:

@LyleHardin wrote:

I've often heard using worksets as a means to control visibility is a bad practice. 

But, if that's the only workaround for the moment, we may end up using it.


They are just tools in a toolbox. 

 

Well said, @ToanDN. Double Ditto!


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ToanDN
als Antwort auf: LyleHardin

Back to @LyleHardin original question.  Are you sure they are actual electrical fixture or lighting device (with 2d symbols nested in the families) and not just Generic annotation symbols placed directly in the view?  If the former then they should be covered by the roof/floor above so they should not show like you said.

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LyleHardin
als Antwort auf: ToanDN

Yes, they are OOTB, 3d electrical fixtures. The 2D portions (plan views) of them are Annotative so they scale with the view scale. Annotative objects (like text) are not hidden by other things. So, even the interior wall outlets show through the floors and roof of the buildings. 

This is a site plan to show the location of the exterior outlets. It has a view range from Grade to above the buildings, so that is why the outlets and switches are showing. 

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cbcarch
als Antwort auf: LyleHardin

-You could also consider tagging the exterior items, and place a Schedule on the Sheet; or perhaps use a Keynote with a Keynote Legend on the Sheet to identify the exterior outlets ( and other site-related items, etc.)

- I would tag/keynote them in the Link--not in the host.

- Use Linked View to show in host file/sheets, etc.

- Perhaps make a separate Family for the Exterior outlets, and turn off the interior outlets in the view.

-A Filter could be used to control Exterior and Interior outlets in a View/View Template.

- The Workset/Filter for visibility debate is a matter of choice for your firm/consultants/team standards.

I tend to agree with Toan--do what adds value for your project. (don't let the opinion in another Forum drive how you set it up!)

Cliff B. Collins
Registered Architect The Lamar Johnson Collaborative Architects-St. Louis, MO
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benhagerman
als Antwort auf: cbcarch

You can also use a plan region to change the view depth inside the building.  Especially for a site plan that may not want to show any interior features.

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