Hide in view> Category greyed back for all entities

[payingtoomuch]

Can only hide in view by single element. Category is greyed out. Have tried in multiple view types all with the same issue. Project is not linked.

Ideas?

[arq_42]

When you use the right button and check hide by category, it's the same as if you go into VG and uncheck the visibility of that category.

So, without further details, the closest I can think is that a view template is applied.

Check if that's the case.

 

[payingtoomuch]

Thanks Arc42.

So if I have a view template assigned to a view I can only hide individual components and not categories? If so, is there a way to temporarily override this?

Ideally be able to set up my view templates up so they will allow category overrides? I don't like messing with my view templates too much.... I'm can be forgetful and that doesn't play nice when it's time to plot.

[arq_42 · Accepted solution]

If you have a template applied, you cannot modify anything that is determined by the template.

For any template, you can decide what is and is or is not included in the template overrides. For example, you can apply a template to multiple views but select a different scale for each one, or deactivate "underlay orientation" to apply it individually by view.

And, yes, you can temporarily override view templates with "enable temporary view properties." (add a shortcut like VC to it)
You can also temporarily apply other view templates you've already set up with "Temporarily apply template properties."

Clicking on the same icon (or typing the shortcut again) disables the temporary properties/template.

[payingtoomuch]

Awesome! Now I have a good reason to click on that button! Never realized I could do that. Even more awesomeness with that approach is that it enables the "hide by category" feature that is greyed back when I'm in the normal view. Perfect!

Was hoping that I could also access the underlay settings in the properties pallet but that apparently can't be done.

Now I've got to experiment a little with temporarily applying the template properties.... so I can figure out a way to temporarily see info in the underlays. Was thinking I could just generically select a "none" view template but that doesn't exist. So guessing, to make this part of the feature make sense for viewing underlays (and not being concerned about forgetting to turn them off) I'm going to need to generate some sort of special view template for looking at the views. Maybe a look up and a look down view template..... or something along those lines.

I'm hit and miss with feeling knowledgable about the whole view template thing. I have created and have applied them to most of my views but at times I find that some of the settings I have made cause me grief later. Still learning about them. In your screenshot you show the tick box deselected for the view range. I wasn't able to locate that earlier. In my way of thinking (based on what you said) if that tick box is deselected (which mine is) then I should be able to change whatever settings I want to in the view range property category.... right? Which I can. Thinking now that at least some of what is greyed back in the properties pallet has to do with what is selected (tick boxes as in your screen shot) in the view template. Meaning, if a tick box is selected in the view template then the corresponding item in the properties window is going to be greyed back and vice versa. Need to experiment with this some....

Thanks again for your insight! Definitely helps!

[arq_42 · Accepted solution]

To speed up your workflow, I recommend learning/creating the keyboard shortcuts for all these tools and also keeping an eye on the temporary hide/isolate tools (glasses/sunglasses):
Isolate Element IH
Isolate Category IC
Hide Element HH
Hide Category HC
Restore HR

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@payingtoomuch  ha escrito:

...Was hoping that I could also access the underlay settings in the properties pallet but that apparently can't be done....

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You have to deactivate "Underlay Orientation" at the include cloumn of the view template. This let you to activate or not the underlay separately by view and select if you want to look up or down. But, nope, with "temporary view properties" activated this doesnt work.

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@payingtoomuch  ha escrito:

...Now I've got to experiment a little with temporarily applying the template properties.... so I can figure out a way to temporarily see info in the underlays. Was thinking I could just generically select a "none" view template but that doesn't exist. So guessing, to make this part of the feature make sense for viewing underlays (and not being concerned about forgetting to turn them off) I'm going to need to generate some sort of special view template for looking at the views. Maybe a look up and a look down view template..... or something along those lines...

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You can try activating temporary view and playing with the view range instead of underlay, although it only works if you look in the same direction as your view.
Anyway, I only use the underlay in working views, so I don't worry if I leave it turned on when printing views that are in sheets.

As an example of the use of view templates,

In my studio, we have a bunch of view templates for printing views (views that are in sheets for printing).

Typically, these templates are configured according to the set of drawings (furniture, dimensions, plumbing, landscaping, etc.).

In addition to these view templates, we have one (1) template called WIP, which each worker can duplicate if desired.

There is also a set of WIP views, with the WIP template applied.

Each worker can duplicate these WIP views and apply their own template, enabling/disabling whatever they wish, without affecting the views that will be printed nor the other workers views.

Additionally, specifically in my working view template, I usually disable "Underlay orientation," "scale," and "view range" so I can modify them without having to enter the template or apply temporary properties.

I reserve the temporary properties for when I make a one-time change to a print view.

[payingtoomuch]

Much appreciated!!!!!! @arq_42 wrote:

To speed up your workflow, I recommend learning/creating the keyboard shortcuts for all these tools and also keeping an eye on the temporary hide/isolate tools (glasses/sunglasses):
Isolate Element IH
Isolate Category IC
Hide Element HH
Hide Category HC
Restore HR

Thanks for pointing this out to me. Hard to believe I haven't been taking advantage of these features. Since "Isolate" isn't in the right click shortcut menu I haven't been using it. Guess I always knew it should have existed but just never got around to digging through this tool bar to find it. This help (that you have provided is going to make my life a whole lot easier! Went ahead and took the time to create the shortcuts. Absolutely in this case worthwile (although in the past I've been reluctant to create non ootb shortcuts. It's a cad thing.

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@payingtoomuch  ha escrito:

...Was hoping that I could also access the underlay settings in the properties pallet but that apparently can't be done....

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You have to deactivate "Underlay Orientation" at the include cloumn of the view template. This let you to activate or not the underlay separately by view and select if you want to look up or down. But, nope, with "temporary view properties" activated this doesnt work. OK. Thanks for clarifying. I have now officially deactivated the underlay tick box in all my view templates!

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@payingtoomuch  ha escrito:

...Now I've got to experiment a little with temporarily applying the template properties.... so I can figure out a way to temporarily see info in the underlays. Was thinking I could just generically select a "none" view template but that doesn't exist. So guessing, to make this part of the feature make sense for viewing underlays (and not being concerned about forgetting to turn them off) I'm going to need to generate some sort of special view template for looking at the views. Maybe a look up and a look down view template..... or something along those lines...

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You can try activating temporary view and playing with the view range instead of underlay, although it only works if you look in the same direction as your view.
Anyway, I only use the underlay in working views, so I don't worry if I leave it turned on when printing views that are in sheets. Thanks this will be my new approach going forward. Working on creating working views now as my primary place to work on my drawings. Thanks. I see this as saving me a LOT of headaches going forward.

As an example of the use of view templates,

In my studio, we have a bunch of view templates for printing views (views that are in sheets for printing).

Typically, these templates are configured according to the set of drawings (furniture, dimensions, plumbing, landscaping, etc.). Yes. Understood. I have some of this set up currently..... Just need to expand on it.

In addition to these view templates, we have one (1) template called WIP, which each worker can duplicate if desired.

There is also a set of WIP views, with the WIP template applied. OK. So you do have a separate template set up for WIP (Work in Progress?). I'll follow that lead. Makes sense to me.

Each worker can duplicate these WIP views and apply their own template, enabling/disabling whatever they wish, without affecting the views that will be printed nor the other workers views. Perfect!

Additionally, specifically in my working view template, I usually disable "Underlay orientation," "scale," and "view range" so I can modify them without having to enter the template or apply temporary properties. Makes sense. Will follow this lead as well.

I reserve the temporary properties for when I make a one-time change to a print view. That's pretty cool.... and a nice aside! Makes sense for one off printing. Ran a test and see what you're talking about. Nice that it warns you that temporary view properties are enabled prior to pulling the trigger to actually print!

Lot's of productivity info in this thread! Thanks again for your insight and taking the time to discuss this with me.