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Face-Based Sinks

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Anonymous
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Face-Based Sinks

I'm using Revit LT 2014.

 

I am perplexed by face-based sinks, which I can't get to host on a countertop. I'm working with a few different face-based sink families supplied by Kohler, and I'm working with OOTB countertops. 

 

Using the placement option, "Place on face," the sinks will host to floors and ceilings, but not countertops. Using "Place on Vertical Face," they will host to countertops, but they come in rotated the wrong way, with the top of the sink facing a wall. 

 

I can get them to be in the right place by creating a reference plane at the top of the counter and using "place on work plane." However, when using this method, the sink doesn't cut a hole in the counter. When these sink families are hosted to a ceiling or a floor, they cut their hosts beautifully. I tried adding a void extrusion in the family and using cut geometry to cut the counter (this is the method I use with most sinks), but for some reason that turns these face-based sink families into a solid cube- the sink itself disappears. 

 

Any ideas?

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L.Maas
als Antwort auf: Anonymous

You should be able to get face based sinks to work. Post the part of your project with the countertop and the sink and we can have a look what is going on

Louis

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martinTstewart_Adsk
als Antwort auf: Anonymous

It may be something specific to how Kohler made that family.  

If you're still after some ideas on this, please include some images, the problem family file, a sample project...

Or if you have it worked out, what did you find?

 

 



Martin Stewart
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Anonymous
als Antwort auf: martinTstewart_Adsk

Thank you for your responses!

 

I have encountered this issue with all the face-based sinks I have tried to use (I think they have all been from Kohler) and in all the projects I have tried to use them in (about 5). I am attaching a sample project, based on our company's template, with a countertop that we usually use and two of the face based sinks that I am trying to use. 

 

Since I can't get them to host to a counter, you'll see them hosted to a floor. 

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L.Maas
als Antwort auf: Anonymous

The families have been made in different ways

Sinks.png

 

They can be hosted on the countertop. The single sink has been made as face based family with integrated cutout. Placing this on the face of the counter top immediatly creates the cut out. The double sink is made in a different way. That one is workplane based. It has a void inside the family (the yellowish area). You can place this on the counter top without problems. However the cutout is not done automatically. You have to use the cut tool for this to cut the hole in the countertop.

 

Cut.png

 

That is always the disadvantage when downloading families from other sources. It is not always consistent how they have been modelled.

It was one of the reasons I early on started creating my own families. Now if I download families I tend to remodel them so that they behave the way I need them to.

Louis

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Anonymous
als Antwort auf: L.Maas

Thank you for your rapid response, Louis. I confused the issue by including different sink families with differing construction. 

 

The problem I'm seeking help with is that when I try to place a face-based or workplane-based sink, it won't host to a countertop. This screencast shows what happens when I load a face-based sink into a project and try to place it on a countertop.

 

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L.Maas
als Antwort auf: Anonymous

Ok thanks. Your problem is clear now. You try to place you face based family in the plan view. But when editing the family I see that the face is hidden in plan view. Basically you are trying to place the sink in an open square (counterop outline). In my screencast I demonstrate this and show that I can place the sink in a 3D view (because the countertop face is not hidden there). I also show that when opening the (countertop) family the visbility settings for the extrusion is set to invisible for plan views

 

Louis

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chadwickt
als Antwort auf: L.Maas

I just had this same problem. Thanks for the solution!

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timpy6
als Antwort auf: L.Maas

Great observation about the countertop model elements being visible only in 3D views! You can't host to something (model element) that is not technically visible in a view. A countertop family's model elements typically not being visible in plan views (replaced by detail lines and mask) causes a user to accidentally host families to the floor rather than the countertop. You apparently can't host to detail lines and masks, which is understandable. A user just thinks that he sees the model elements in a plan view, not realizing that he is seeing annotation elements.

 

You can test this by opening a countertop family and setting the extrusion to be visible in Plan/ RCP views and loading it back into the project. You can then host a face based sink into the countertop. Or, just remember to place the sink families in a 3D view and then straighten them in a plan view. This is still helping in late 2021.

 

There are usually enough problems getting sinks cut properly into countertops. Knowing this trick creates one less problem in the process.

 

Thanks

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mary.schmitz-dex
als Antwort auf: L.Maas

So now the counter top disappears but for the one line of the backsplash in the plan view. Is the mask masking to much?

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