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Eliminating joint lines in rcc framed structures

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Anonymous
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Eliminating joint lines in rcc framed structures

After modelling a rcc frame structure, we see the joint lines between the rcc members and the brick panels even if they are flush. The building is supposed to be fully plastered from outiside so such joint lines will not be visible. From inside the rcc members will not be plastered. Now if I add plaster to the wall, how do I add plaster on the external faces of the rcc members?  I tried painting but the joint lines are visible. I tried invisible lines, but it is view specific. Any other way of doing this?

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barthbradley
als Antwort auf: Anonymous

I'd use more of a BIM approach. Create a Wall Type of the thickness and material of the exterior finish system (e.g. plaster o/ lath).   

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Anonymous
als Antwort auf: barthbradley

Yes agreed. But the concrete is plastered only on the external face and is not on the inside while the internal concrete members are totally unplastered. So I will still get joint lines

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barthbradley
als Antwort auf: Anonymous

I'm talking about a Wall Type over the exterior face of the rcc/brick frame structure.  There is no "interior" side. 

 

 


@Anonymous wrote:

Yes agreed. But the concrete is plastered only on the external face and is not on the inside while the internal concrete members are totally unplastered. So I will still get joint lines


 

I would finish the interior the same way; with another Wall Type representing the interior finish (e.g. GWB o/ Furring). 

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barthbradley
als Antwort auf: Anonymous

Maybe I'm misreading you, @Anonymous . What to post a screenshot or file?  

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Anonymous
als Antwort auf: barthbradley

  • I am not on a position to post a screen shot now. Let me try to explain this. Out here we have mainly RCC framed structures. The panels are filled with 230mm thick brick walls which are plastered on both outside and inside. While in the case of the concrete members they are not plastered on each and every face. For instance the slab and beams and in some case columns are not plastered on inside. So when creating a column no plaster is specified. Now for instance at the junction of beam and wall, both receive plaster externally. It is easy to specify that to the brick wall but not to the beam as it is plastered selectively. So we see joint lines between the two making it unrealistic. 
  • I hope I have got my point across else I will upload a sketch next week
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barthbradley
als Antwort auf: Anonymous

Yes, I get it -- the surfaces aren't coplanar.  So, the plaster "Wall" is only necessary over the columns. If the plaster "Wall" is the same material as the plaster material of brick wall panels, you can use the Join Geometry tool to remove the visible edges between all of them -- as long as they are coplanar.   Same scenario on the interior. Strategically place Wall Types.  Essentially, this is exactly what will have to be done in the field.   

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Anonymous
als Antwort auf: barthbradley

Yes this is almost the answer I want. However is there any way to specify plaster externally over the structural columns, beam and slabs?

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barthbradley
als Antwort auf: Anonymous

You could, but I wouldn't. Do it exactly as I described.  The K.I.S.S. method. 

 

 

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Anonymous
als Antwort auf: barthbradley

Please guide me how to specify plaster while making the structural column, beams and slabs.

Also what do you mean by K.I.S.S method?

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barthbradley
als Antwort auf: Anonymous


@Anonymous wrote:

Please guide me how to specify plaster while making the structural column, beams and slabs.

Also what do you mean by K.I.S.S method?


 

Model the plaster in the Families.  

 

K.I.S.S. is an acronym for a design principle noted by the U.S. Navy in 1960. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle

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