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Earth filling the plan

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Marie.j03
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Earth filling the plan

How do I show the hatch in plan like in picture 2 below. I want to make an underground passage for kids to go through from one side to the other under the gazebo. I made the below with filled region because on the plan all is filled brown

 

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MostafaElashmawy
als Antwort auf: Marie.j03

select the topo,
right click>> override graphics in view>>by element then change the cut pattern.

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MostafaElashmawy
als Antwort auf: Marie.j03

If you want all cut patterns to show like that  generally,

select the topo,
from properties you find material. open it and adjust the cut pattern for the assigned material.

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MostafaElashmawy
als Antwort auf: Marie.j03

in your first picture, instead of adding a filled region, you can go to Massing and Site tab, select sub-region, and draw the required portion then assign a different material or visibility graphics to it.

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RDAOU
als Antwort auf: Marie.j03

That is how it behaves in Revit unfortunately. It is a surface and that Poche base is not something you can cut through to show the tunnel you built; therefore, it is all filled brown. You either have to model the toposurface differently or live with the 2D graphics/filled regions ...etc.

 

Alternatives include

- dynamo to mass the site (See this link here https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-architecture-forum/from-topography-to-solid-mass/m-p/9214693#M2... 

- stacking 2 topsurfaces with different poche height/depth

- using a building pad under the tunnel and massing the surface above it only

 

Edit see also this post: https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-architecture-forum/topo-surface-and-underground-floor/m-p/92583... 

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Marie.j03
als Antwort auf: MostafaElashmawy

Can you put all in one message please. I'm a little lost and I think you did not understand my question. I dont want to change pattern of the earth I want to remove the earth from the corridor so it looks like I did it with filled region. Inside tiles and outside earth hatch.

 

Now I have brown everywhere. I tried to change material of the topography to grass with the hatch shown above too but it does not change it stays brown

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Marie.j03
als Antwort auf: MostafaElashmawy

How do I remove visibility of sub region  I did not understand can you please show me an image?

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Marie.j03
als Antwort auf: RDAOU

thank you I will look at those links and see if this is what I need

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MostafaElashmawy
als Antwort auf: Marie.j03

Sorry for that. I was thinking while writing.
OK now your question is clear for me.

there is no direct solution. I think if you made a building pad below the tube it would work. then you can add a model in place around the tube as back filling. That's how it may be done in real life.

 

Building pad is like a foundation for the tube. (recommend)

sub region will be good if you want the change in plan only. 

split and remove the part of topography at the tube.

 

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Marie.j03
als Antwort auf: MostafaElashmawy

I cannot use building pad because revit says I cannot have 2 on top of each other. I have one circular for the gazebo on top and revit is not accepting to put a new one. But I made one for one underground corridor without gazebo and it also did not work with sub region when I put the building pad the sub region is removed. I tried to make model in place after as you said but I cannot select any edges and manually doing the sketch it looks very ugly and does not follow the terrain.

 

Maybe I am not understanding what you are trying to explain butI cannot do this for 33 features. 

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Marie.j03
als Antwort auf: RDAOU

I checked the other links you gave. I cannot do the dynamo. The terrain looks very ugly when it gets triangular shapes. Is it possible to do it smooth with the methods from the 2nd link? 

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RDAOU
als Antwort auf: Marie.j03

The Dyn graph from the first is a simple one just as an example but it can be massed  using dynamo and still have a surface very close to that of the toposurface. 

 

The methods given in the second link:

  1.  the one I proposed there can give you a 99%  match to the toposurface but it would require that you build 2 families to do it. Output would result a wavy curvy mass 
  2. the dwg export method will give you a similar result to that of the Dynamo see image below

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Marie.j03
als Antwort auf: RDAOU

I really don't know anything about dynamo.  The triangular shapes would look really ugly in the presentations.

 

If I can do it in revit I dont care if it is direct or not direct I only want something which gives a similar shape to the topography. Can you please explain how to do it. Thanks

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barthbradley
als Antwort auf: Marie.j03

@Marie.j03 : Do you have full Revit (not LT)? Then you can do the Topography as a shaped-edited Variable Thickness Floor (via Modify Sub Elements tools) and then use In-Place Voids to cut away the "earth" (a.k.a. the Floor Material) in and around your subterranean construct.   

 

Something like this: 

 

subterranean.png

 

Let me know is you want more details about how to do this. 

 

Oh, and by the way, you can easily hide those "triangular-shaped" edges.  

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RDAOU
als Antwort auf: Marie.j03


@Marie.j03 wrote:

If I can do it in revit I dont care if it is direct or not direct I only want something which gives a similar shape to the topography. Can you please explain how to do it. Thanks


 

I am not sure what you mean by direct or indirect...Revit offers you a several tools its up to you how to put them into use. yes there are several one off click tools but those are for beginners lol

 

Anyhow, for the manual method to mass the site which I mentioned earlier would require an adaptive family and an entourage or railing family (both host on toposurface nd can be used to read/control the offset of the adaptive replica created using the adaptive component. An easier version of this method is to use building pads exported to dwg and linked back into the model. You can use the dwg import to host reference points and/or reference spline to created a mass … check the screencast below

 

Dynamo remains the better option regardless if you use a floor element or thickened surface to create the topography.  if you are bothered by them you can go to Visibility graphics >> floors >> switch off Interior edges. You will get something similar to what @barthbradley posted …or this image 

 

topo 1.png

 

 

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Marie.j03
als Antwort auf: RDAOU

@RDAOU thank you. I have used the method which you showed above  for now. I really want to learn more about dynamo but unfortunately I don't have the time for it now and I prefer that I learn more revit. Maybe in the future.... thanks 

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Marie.j03
als Antwort auf: barthbradley

@barthbradley I am sorry, I tried to use the floor with sub element but there was no way I can get it to match the topography. Is there a trick to do that manually or  i have to use dynamo too as mentioned before in rdaou's reply? and also all those flashy pinky points when one modify sub elements, can they be hidden? 

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barthbradley
als Antwort auf: Marie.j03

My thinking is that you are actually planning the construction of the Toposurface - that it is not an existing site feature.  And even if it was, it would need to be excavated (perhaps even leveled) for the "underground" construction. Afterwards, the Toposurface would be built on top of and around this structure.  So, basically what I'm saying is shape the floor the way you want it shaped in the field and make it's material "Earth".  Plan/dimension the "Topo" construction just as if it were a building.  

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Marie.j03
als Antwort auf: barthbradley

Hi @barthbradley  we are designing the soft and hardscape but the site and levels as it is from the architect as toposurface in revet. I am not sure we can delete the architects toposurface and redo it all with this. We just need to work with the portions where the play areas are. That is why I am asking  how do I put all the sub elements to the levels given by the architect. If I edit the toposurface, there are a whole lot of points! Can I use this method for just portions of the site? 

 

And another thing is how to get rid of those dots which I get everytime I hover over 

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RDAOU
als Antwort auf: Marie.j03

@Marie.j03 

 

No you do not align the sub elements manually, you shouldn't need to. And you also don't have to redo the whole site. Refer back to my previous replies...split the part of the toposurface you need and use dynamo to convert it to floor. (The sub elements you cannot hide though)

 

 

 

 

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