Duplicate as Dependent - Drafting view

[Anonymous]

I've figured out that Drafting views can't be duplicated "as Dependent" and this might end up being me more venting - but does anyone have a work around?

My office issues construction sketches after the drawing set has been issued, but we want the isssued sketch detail to appear/match what is in the actual set (to have a current up to date set if we ever need to issue the sheets again). Being able to duplicate views as dependent has made this process a breeze, after using AutoCAD and having to copy and paste the viewport and change the notes and be sure to change them on all sheets, etc. Then I came to a drafting view and I feel like I'm back in CAD. I saw a suggestion to use a legend instead of a drafting view, but that has it's own limitations (can't put referenced views, or reference another view to it). 

I'm new to Revit and from what I've read, pre-2014, this wasn't a problem. Any chance it won't be a problem again? or any explaination why this functionality is not available?

[dzanta]

what if you use a call-out view as a "drafting view?"

[ToanDN]

Duplicate as Dependant for drafting Views has never been implemented as far as I can remember.  I am sure it must be in the Wishlist for a long time.

For the time being, I have to either duplicate the drafting views, and remember to copy paste the changes, or revise the drafting views and save them as snapshot images (right click from the Browser), and use them for construction Sketches when graphic quality isn't much of a concern.

[mike]

If we have to change drafting views, we make a duplicate and rename the duplicate as an archived drafting view.  Then edit / update the original drafting view, this keeps the dafting view on the sheet with references etc, and avoids any copying / pasting.

[ToanDN]

That is correct. We always keep the originals so that the references are intact. I usually edit the originals as much as I can before duplicating them. But some times, changes still come after duplication. In such cases, I either delete the copies and duplicate them again, or copy paste the content from one to another.

[David_W_Koch]

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@mike wrote:

If we have to change drafting views, we make a duplicate and rename the duplicate as an archived drafting view.  Then edit / update the original drafting view, this keeps the dafting view on the sheet with references etc, and avoids any copying / pasting.

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I believe the original poster would like to be able to take a drafting view and duplicate as dependent not to create an archive of the pre-change version, but to have a second view, graphically linked to the original, to place on a "sketch" title block (most likely letter size, or some smaller format) to issue the change without reissuing the entire sheet, while still keeping the original view (with amendments) on the original sheet.

We have struggled with that as well.  I have used image capture as mentioned by @ToanDN with reasonable success.  I recall having to play around with resolution and scale to get something that generated reasonable graphics for the sketch.  On most projects, with most document exchanges being done electronically, we have been reissuing the entire drawing rather than generating a small-format sketch.  Several construction managers with whom I have worked preferred that method, as sketches tend to get lost or never make it to the field.

[Anonymous]

As a workaround I use detail Groups. Open the original drafting view and create a detail group out of the geometry. Duplicate the view "with details" and edit the group. Any changes will be reflected in the original drafting view.

I seem to remember an issue with not being able to add revision clouds to a detail group. If there was it works in 2017.

Jack L. Watson

[chrisplyler]

On most projects, with most document exchanges being done electronically, we have been reissuing the entire drawing rather than generating a small-format sketch.  Several construction managers with whom I have worked preferred that method, as sketches tend to get lost or never make it to the field.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Save your letter sized sketches for your PCOs while they're under consideration and stuff like that, but once it becomes a real CO we want nothing but replacement sheets for the drawing sets that are in our on-site trailer. Those sets are the holy grail, and anything that's in a letter-sized folder over in the corner will never be looked at again.

Sincerely,

Construction Manager

[Anonymous]

I agree that issuing a full sheet is the best practice, but I rarely if ever get to make the final decision.

What I am after is the ability to issue 8.5x11 addenda sketches during bidding or CPR's during construction and have that information linked back to the full size sheet. This way when a conformed set is issued to the successful bidder or record drawings are issued to the owner the full size sheets reflect all changes.

[chrisplyler]

Duplicate it with details, but NOT as dependent. After all, you want a never-changing snapshot of your addendum, right? Mark-up, change, and/or cloud the main view as necessary so that your full sized sheets are updated, then dupe w/ details and change the name to blahblahblah_ad1 or something like that. Then put that ad1 view on an 8.5x11 sheet.

[ToanDN]

I vaguely remember that any elements with graphic override will be reset to
originals. Colors, line types, line weight, transparency, etc. You name
it.
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-Toan

[Anonymous]

Nubi here, how do i do that exactly, make an archived ?/ We have schedules imported via Rushforth that need to appear on more than one sheet and Duplicate view as dependent doesnt work..

[mikewp90]

A workaround that could potentially solve this would simply to create a "Floor Plan" with Show Model turned off. A view template could simply be applied to turn off all worksets, links and categories of elements that are not "annotations."

I truley believe AutoDesk needs to add the simple ability off allowing for a "model space" similar to AutoCAD and viewports that are on sheets. In addition, why can we not link drafting views from other models? 

After Migrating All symbols and schemartics to Revit I am beginning to miss the days of linking AutoCAD drawings...