Hi all,
My project is currently going from DP to BP and we've recently updated the structure of our walls. The dimensions I placed were removed due to these changes, since the reference planes were altered. Since dimensioning took a while, I'm looking for a workaround to prevent this issue in the future.
At the moment, my strategy is to create dimension lines between these elements instead of the walls. This way, the dimensions are taken to lines instead of wall faces, and altering these faces doesn't mess up my beautiful dims.
Does anyone have a workaround they use? I'd love to know. Thanks!
@hunterAZR7A wrote:The dimensions I placed were removed due to these changes, since the reference planes were altered.
the Dimension should only be deleted if the one of the elements it was dimensioned to is removed. otherwise it should just adjust accordingly. Were the reference planes deleted?
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To my knowledge, the reference planes were deleted or altered to the point where any dimensions taken to these planes were removed from the project. This means I'll have to redo the dimensions in question, but I'd like to avoid this in the future.
unfortunately, if someone else is control of the reference planes your at there mercy. I'm assuming your dimensioning to reference planes because the model element change?
We used to have a BIG issue with that in my office until I came down on the offending departments. structural would delete a column when it could have been moved, Arch would delete a ceiling just to change the Type, etc.... it was reeking havoc in my MEP departments.
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The way we deal with this, is to pull dimensions between the location line of the walls (which is core face @ chalk line side for us), so when the wall changes thickness (which it always does through the design) it changes in relation to the location line. Location Line doesn't move. But the initial walls need to have an Interior and Exterior Layers defined. Won't work with walls that have a core only in the beginning.
The issue with that is the nature of the dimensions I drew. Normally, I'd take dimensions from sheathing/stud/wall centreline. However, my PM asked for interior dimensions taken from GWB to GWB, hence why the dimensions were removed. We recently got word from struct to change from wood to metal stud throughout the project, hence why it's a completely different set of exterior/interior walls.
Seems like I should just ask if I can write down interior dimensions below room names instead of taking dimensions from wall face to wall face and avoid dimensioning altogether. Then, once I'm cleared to dimension centreline/stud/sheathing, I'll do that.
Glad to know it's not just me! In the future, what should I ask my team to do so dimensions don't get removed, when the structure has to be significantly changed?
@hmunsell wrote:... I'm assuming your dimensioning to reference planes because the model element change?...
Yeah we got word from struct we should change from wood to metal stud, requiring a total redo of all our external/internal wall types. Since my dims were from GWB to GWB (as requested by the client), this deleted a lot of dimensions.
If the walls were deleted and then replaced with new walls, there's not much you can do about it. the element being dimensioned to was removed.
My questions would be, if you dimension GWB to GWB it shouldn't matter if it's metal stud or wood. The GWB would be the Finish Face Interior/Exterior of the wall (GWB is Gypsum Wall Board right
). Dimensioning GWB to GWB, I can change wall types all day long and the dimension will not be deleted. Even if the GWB is removed from the wall structure, the dim will default to the walls Finish Face. Which brings be back to the walls were deleted instead of just changing the wall type.
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Right that makes sense. I'm not entirely sure in that case. It could be because we removed the finish face along the way to reconstructing the wall.
Based on everything you’ve said here, there’s no way you can preserve your “beautiful dims”, which you said, at the onset, was your primary goal. Doesn’t sound like your firm is following any dimensioning standard that is consistent. Sounds kind of chaotic in fact. I feel your pain. But, when you settle on where to pull dimensions from, make that the wall’s location line so that when the wall changes thickness it won’t affect your “beautiful dims” because the wall location line doesn’t move.
Good luck
This is harking back to CAD days. Normally I would have the dimension reference to detail lines. Group them and attach it to model group. That way if object move or deleted, the dimension will remain. Also the dimension attached to model group will help you speed up the dimensioning process. If you have typical unit, you can call up the same dimension and tags.
As well the detail dimension group is used as quality control. If someone accidentally move or delete object without informing others, you will know quickly since the dimension don't lineup with the object(s).
This is wrong. Dimensions always get deleted when modifying, (Not removing) walls or parts of walls.
A lot of tiles I find that I have to Nudge things to avoid dimensions getting deleted. For some reason it's fine with that.
In my case switching from steel to wood core structure nothing should be deleted or unattached. but yet it wants to remove a bunch of stuff (dimensions, ceiling, roof), to make this happen. This is pathetic; I thought this software was smarter than this.
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