dimensioning on child of dependant view

dimensioning on child of dependant view

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dimensioning on child of dependant view

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When I dimension on the child view from a dependant view, it shows up on the parent view as well as the other child view as well.  Is there a way to only have "annotations" show up on the view where they are created?? I don't mind them showing up on the parent as this view is not on a sheet.  It seems to be common sense and I was surprised that dimensions were showing up on other views.  Specifically when you have a matchline, you generally would have a string of dimensions on the grids just outside the match line.  These dimensions then show up on the veiw that represents the other side of the match line.  Any tips would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

 

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RDAOU
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Adjust the Annotation Crop of the child views at the Matchline (drag it till the annotations at the matchline disappear - ie: get it as close as possible to the crop region). If it is not visibile; go to the properties palette and check the box

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Not sure that helps.  See image.  The dimensions from the child, the left side of the overall parent will be well inside the crop box of the right side child view.  If there was a way of just having dimensions show up in the view they were created, that would be the best.  This is the part that seems logical, no?  Just like every other view in REVIT.

 

Unless I'm just not understanding your suggestion?

 

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L.Maas
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You are basically asking Revit not to do what it is meant to do. This is the designed behaviour of dependent duplicates. All the view settings and annotations are as in the parent. You use for example scope boxes in the child views to only show part of the parent view. So it is a way to split up your view in distinct parts.

If you do want separate view settings and separate annotations than do not use "dependent duplicates" but normal "duplicate" or "duplicate with detailing".

 

 

 

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Not really.  I like that whatever annotations I put in the parent show up in all of the children views.  But I would like the option to have annotation placed in the children to only show up in the view that it is placed.  Is this not reasonable?  My problem only exists at the overlap areas of just around the match lines.  Frankly I do not see the advantage of applying annotations in one of the children that show up on the parent, especially since they ahve to be the same scale.  If I want it in the parent I would apply it in the parent and it will show in the children.  It could be something that is added in the programming, to show where it would be placed as I place the annotations or just have annotations placed in the children only appear in those views.

 

So obviously my answer is, you have to individually hide any annotation in each view regardless of where it is placed. 

 

Thanks.

 

Regards Peter.

 

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L.Maas
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Ok, see your thinking.

 

For what you want I always use the normal duplicate or duplicate with detailing function. So I first complete a view with all kinds of annotations, then duplicate with detailing and in the new view add/remove annotations. Or just use duplicate and add annotations where necessary.

I use duplicate as dependent only when I want to 'cut' my view in different pieces to fit them on a sheet.

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You could fill out THIS form on the autodesk website and request for the functionality to be added to Revit

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Message 7 of 31

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Slight quibble with use of a word, dimensions are annotation in Revit's world but so are tags, text and detail items etc. To say you want annotation to do "x" is too generalized.

 

I think you are really asking for Revit to regard dimensions as different from other annotation. As mentioned in the earlier reply they created Dependent views to be exact copies of the parent view except for how much of the model is visible by altering each dependent view's crop boundary.

 

To minimize the repetition of the same dimensions in different dependent views I place dimensions outside the scope of other view's crop boundary. Part A and B share a common boundary marked by a matchline so I'd place dimensions along the boundaries they don't have in common. It gets a little harder when there are no boundaries that are not in common with another dependent view. In that situation, as you wrote, using hide element in view by element is the practical solution.

 

For continuous dimension strings that span across matchline boundaries it may help to create individual strings instead so there are fewer affected by the common boundary.

 

Good luck!


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Message 8 of 31

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Nope, not at all.  I want all annotation to be treated the same.  If it is drawn in the parent then it shows up in all of the child views.  If it is drawn in a child view I want it to only be shown in that child view.  It should be a pretty simple IF statement.  It just so happens that dimensions seem to be the only type of annotation that relates to my example.

 

A good example is :  If I have columns, associated with grids that only exist close to the match line. I want to dimension those grids on the match line side of the view.  For clarity it would be nice to have them shown beyond the crop boundary at the match line side, see my previously attached image.  The problem is that those dimensions then show up over top of geometry on the other child view, and parent view, and I have to a.) find them and b.) hide them in that view.  That is not an ideal workflow.

 

Regards Peter.

 

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You wrote "All annotation", but you keep referring to examples of dimensions. What about tags, symbols, text and detail components? Those are annotation too and if you want them to only show up in the child view then you would be better off with independent views, don't use the dependent views option at all. You can have what you're asking for right now because that is precisely how regular views always worked and work now. Annotation (all kinds of them) appear only in the view(s) you place them in individually.

 

If you're concerned about being able to use the Matchline and View Reference features for the partial plans you still can. It isn't required to only use them with the Dependent views like it was originally.

 

Fwiw, they created the dependent view concept because people told them they wanted to be able to do model tasks and add annotation in an overall plan that has a scale that won't fit on paper and requires partial plans. They didn't want to have to model in partial plans and switch back and forth to apply annotation or vice versa. So the Parent View shows what the Children do and vice versa. The only thing we are allowed to alter is the cropy boundary. Slight exceptions exist because of the Hide in View feature. The way it works now is what customers were asking for.


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I can't but disagree with some statements made above! With respect to dimensions does more than a BIM platform is supposed to do.

  

@Anonymous The dimensions placed on one child view can be placed only on that Child view without propagating and/or showing on other child views (unless the extents propagate on the other views!)

 

For Grids (since thats what shows in your image)

 

  1. Place the dimension on the child view you desire;
  2. hover over the dimension and drag the extents in the direction of the Child View you need them to show.
  3. Once all extents of the witness l are extended; move the set of dimensions over past the Matchline.
  4. Check Child View 2 - They should not show as long as  the extents of those dimensions fall within the Annot.crop & crop view of the Child view you want them to show in

 

The same apply to walls...Revit can be set NOT to carry over any dimensions which are not supposed to be carried over tot he other child views

 

Can one place dimensions on a child view and which only show on that child view (Even when they extend beyong the Matchline)? My opinion...Definitly YES as long as one sets the Crop view and Annotation crop properly; knows what he is dimensioning; And watchs where the extents of those dimensions fall...Does this apply to all annotations? 90% of them (There are some very few which need to be done separately

 

See Screencast below...

  1. In the first I placed the dimensions in Child View 1 and stretched all witness lines then moved it over the Matchline (none showed in Child View 2;
  2. in the second I placed the dimensions in Child View 2 extended the witness lines' extents but  left 1 dimension not extended... once moved over the Matchline all showed on Child View1; However; once I extended the last witness line over to Child view 2; the dimensions disappear in Child View 1 

 

 

 @SteveKStafford thanks for the elaboration (advantages of having a blogger on the forum)

 

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Message 11 of 31

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I'm not sure you are reading what I wrote.  I said I like the functionality of being able to use annotations in a parent view that also shows up in the child views.  Again the reason I am only talking about dimensions is because the dimensions are the only things I am having issues with, because they are associated with grids which are pulled well outside the crop box.  Other annotations realte more closely to the actual 3d objects which are within the crop box and do not present a problem..  I'm not complaining about how duplicate as dependant works, and I know how duplicating views work.  I was hoping there was a way of placing annotations, specifically dimensions, in only one child view, as it is difficult to find them and hide them in the other views for my specific detailing exercise.  Thanks.

 

Regards Peter.

 

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SteveKStafford
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I've read and reread your posts...a few times...because I kept thinking I must be missing something...

 

If you like being able to place tags in the parent view and not have to do that task over again in the child (dependent) view then they are working as intended. It isn't clear to me why you are using dependent views though.

 

My original reply was intended to stipulate that dimensions are not the only element that are called annotation in Revit. To want different behavior for all annotation, as you described it a few times, is too broad a claim because if you got your wish there is no need for dependent views. They'd work the same way independent views work now.

 

As such I'm not convinced you need to use dependent views, but you don't have to convince me. Using independent views would eliminate the problem though.


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Yes - That is exactly what I was wanting.  The reason I wasn't getting that to happen was because I am only dimensioning to grid lines which have a centerline linetype.  I had my extension lines very short so they were never originating in the view that I wanted them to stay. I should be able to make a new dimension family to have no extension lines making sure the end points of the extension lines are all in the one view.  Thank you very much.  That is perfect.

 

I had mad up a couple of illustrations, so I might as well attach them now.  This will explain clearly what my problem was, hopefully!

 

The first image is the parent view.  The second the children on a sheet.  The dimensions in blue were drawn on the children and show up on the parent and the other children.  I changed the colour to red in the child views I do not want them to appear.   I do not want them to appear in these other views as it is very hard to find those in an extremely complicated plan. RDAOU noted that if I pull my extension lines into the child view I want the dimension to stay, it will disappear from the other child views.  Perfect.

 

Regards Peter.

 

PS - it would still be nice to say which view it should show.  Also I can't really think of a reason to have any "annotations" show up if they were drawn in the child view.  Everything you want in all views place in parent, anything you want in just that view place in child????  Seems rational to me.  There may be a reason not to do that though?  Thanks again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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@Anonymous

 

Are you the same person different ID? as @Anonymous?

 

Well anyhow; Revit does have some flaws and lacks some features but not on annotation and definitely not dimensioning. It does require lots of trial and error though. If one doesn't get it right the first time all it takes is to start over 🙂

 

As a side note; Revit does a lot and way far better on annotation and dimensioning than most BIM platforms; better than GT for sure

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yeah - same person.  at home I just have a favorite, and at work, and then at a different place.  I think I forgot my login one time on an old e-mail address so I made another.  Then was somewhere else and made another.  I wonder if I can consolidate or delete accounts?  I'll have to look into that.  I should only have one.  I've been around for years.

 

I didn't really mean to complain.  I was hoping there was a solution, which there was.  It's tough to communicate in a text only forum to get your point across.  I thought I was explaining it succinctly but obviously I was not. REVIT is a very broad program.  I've worked for Architects and Engineers as a cad monkey for 25 yrs or so.  What I think is common sense is related to a very narrow band of a specific discipline.

 

I've never used any other BIM software.  I used Autocad for 10 or 15 years and I've been using REVIT for about 10 years.  When you're working for a firm that does construction documents you get stuck doing one thing for a long time.  I do training now for an Autodesk Reseller and do some implementations and overflow work on larger projects.  Usually I'm thrown in at the end of a project and have to fix stuff.  That is what happened with this question.  I would have probably suggested not using dependant views, or at some point getting rid of the dependancy.  In construction the model will not change very much, let alone the advantage of the dependant views, hopefully! 😉  Well there is a long winded story of where I'm coming from.

 

Thanks to everyone for the help.  This forum is great, as is REVIT!!!!

 

Cheers Peter.

 

 

 

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Deleting accounts is not possible. But I think Autodesk has the ability to 'combine' accounts. You could try to contact one of the @community admin and ask if he can do this for you.

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I am facing problem in showing this dimension in my sheet. As i am not able to see my dim in scope box. So please guide me how can i show dim with scope box in matcline.

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I think you are going to have to fake it.  There is no way to dimension to an item that is not inside the annotation crop box of that view.  Revit dimensions are object based, so if that grid line does not appear in the view, either will the dimension.  That even includes if you selected the grid and "hide in view".

 

Also why would you want to dimension to the match line.  I have faked a dimension to the match line.  The way that you are denoting this detail I would have 2 arrow heads on the side that points towards the match line, with out a witness line to show that it is 8000 between gird 9 and grid 8.  You could also try breaking the plan and pulling grid 8 closer to grid 9 and it should dimension properly although this may not do what you want.

 

Cheers Peter.

 

 

 

 

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Thanks Peter, I understand your post but not able to do this. Can you upload that file where you have done this. Thanks in Advance.

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