Design Option for Windows and Walls that Already Exist

Design Option for Windows and Walls that Already Exist

ryanZSLF7
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Design Option for Windows and Walls that Already Exist

ryanZSLF7
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Is it possible to create design options for windows that are already hosted in a wall? 

I understand that the normal workflow is to put a wall into all options in the Options set before creating different windows in the different options.  However, what if I already have windows and walls that already have a decent amount of work put into them. I don't necessarily want to redo all my split elements because I cut the windows out, then put the wall into the various options.

If I don't cut out the windows before trying to make my design option set, then I end up getting this error message:

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ToanDN
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Can you assign the wall to various options AFTER split element?

Are the door/window opening dimensions changed among different options?

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ryanZSLF7
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Everything changes from option to option:  different dimensions, different split lines.
I would prefer to be able to make an option without messing up the dimensions and split elements in the original so that I don't disturb the working set of construction documents.  It seems like that is only a fantasy in Revit though.

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SteveKStafford
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When you enter the Design Options realm the original should become an option too but you can leave it as the primary option, the most likely one to persist. Add the walls/windows to all the options and then modify each version separately.

 

When someone creates a design and then decides they need to consider or show some other possibilities I also create an empty option, called No Decision, that is primary. Then I assign the first design to the first option and others if the iteration of the design is essentially based on the first. I only add the first design to one option if the others are all radically different from the first, more work to modify the original than doing something from scratch. This way I can show the model with no decision (empty option) in all views and then dedicate other views to each option for review and documentation.

 

If these designs are options that persist because a different project can choose a different option (think production home building) then these views would live on and no options would become primary other than the empty one. If one design ultimately wins and gets built then that option can become primary and we can use Accept to eliminate the option set entirely, along with the related design option views that lost their fight.


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azad.Nanva
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you can use the unhosted wall windows !
or if you use the curtain wall , they should be don't Automatically Embed and for cut the wall you have many options,right?

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azad.Nanva
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in this example i need the wall too,but you can do it without wall just like the third window.

 

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HVAC-Novice
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"don't disturb the working set of construction documents."

 

Design options aren't really made for beyond early on in the design. Many of the family categories don't even allow design options. if you are already in CD, you should know which option is the "one".

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ryanZSLF7
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Frankly, I still don't understand how you did this.  I wonder if it is because you are using curtain walls instead of windows.

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azad.Nanva
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@ryanZSLF7 wrote:

Frankly, I still don't understand how you did this.  I wonder if it is because you are using curtain walls instead of windows.


As I said above, I use free openings. Openings that do not have the Opening Cut. If I have a chance, I will record the following steps for you in the form of a video:

1- Make a window or door without an opening. (Essentially delete the Opening Cut)
2- Install a Rectangular Straight Wall Opening or what you have for opening in a wall.
3- Install windows without opening in it.
4- Enter the window into the design system and change it as desired in each option.

 

https://we.tl/t-ljb6Dsz82A

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ryanZSLF7
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This is the closest thing approximating a solution.  However, using your solution, the wall opening must be the same size between all options.  It is not possible to add a Straight Wall Opening to a design option.  It produces the original error.  So, in the end, your solution, while it does work, is very limiting because all window options must have the same rough opening.

The good news is, through all this trouble shooting, we have identified the Wall Opening as the culprit behind the broken functionality.  Hopefully Autodesk takes note of this conversation and fixes it 😂

 

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