Demolition - Wall infill not wanted

[Anonymous]

Afternoon!

When I demo a door, automatically Revit puts in wall infill. Is there a way to turn the wall infill off so it just shows the opening that's left after the door is gone?

Also, when I draw a wall opening in an existing wall, it doesn't show as being demo'd in plan. Is there a setting I can change?

Any input is appreciated.

[Anonymous]

RDAOU,

First off, we get it you are your firms Revit monkey that knows everything about the program...guess what not everyone is.  Act like an adult and explain with dignity what is causing Revit to do what it is doing...

Second off, regarding your code writing rant and "How do you expect Revit to keep an OPENING without a cutting element that creates the opening !!!! You place a generic model/void cut or a face opening or a shaft or whatever tool in Revit is available to open something ...then you delete it or tell Revit you removed it...and you still expect Revit to keep the opening there???!!!!"

Well believe it or not, I am pretty positive Revit could make it possible to retain the residual opening after you click it to be demoed...there is a huge difference between the words you are throwing around here (delete and demo)...Revit is a program that is supposed to make our lives easier as designers and relay information regarding scope to contractors.  It has come a LONG way, and things like this are always helpful to bring up because they seem to be fairly annoying to work around.  NO these people are not crazy for wanting to do this, I'm sorry buddy.  In the real world, when you physically demolish a door or a window in an existing wall, a new infill does not immediately appear in it's absence...you actually have to infill it with new construction and likely at times a new wall type...you are not ALWAYS adding a new door in its place...how about a checkbox in your wall properties bar of the existing wall that says [] show infilling elements. 

We always appreciate input on here, but when it is in such a degrading tone it was almost impossible for me to not say something, get off your high horse

[Anonymous]

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[ToanDN]

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@Anonymous wrote:

...In the real world, when you physically demolish a door or a window in an existing wall, a new infill does not immediately appear in it's absence...you actually have to infill it with new construction and likely at times a new wall type...you are not ALWAYS adding a new door in its place...how about a checkbox in your wall properties bar of the existing wall that says [] show infilling elements. 

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In Revit defense, this is the consequence of a function that makes our lives easier, which is that an opening is automatically created when you pop a door or a window onto a wall.  Yes, it does not work like that in the real world.  We have to build a wall with an opening before we can install a door.  Openings do not just happen.

So, if I have to choose, I will choose the convenience of having the openings come with doors automatically and live with the annoyance of the unwanted infill walls because I do more new than demolition work.  I can understand your pain if you mostly do demolition, though.

[RDAOU]

@Anonymous

i am sorry you feel degraded  not sure how and why one would be from suggestions intended to help resolve and issue and were addressed in general to someone else other than your good self!

Nonetheless; if it helps, there have been several posts and threads on this forum as well as other blogs and forums which address this topic either partially or in full and how to work with it purely in revit and/or with the aid of applications such as dynamo (which now has become integral/built-in to revit). My advice would be to figure out a proper workflow for demolition and phasing and look up guides on Using Revit for Renovation and Interior Design. 

There is always a solution or a workaround but usually when things are only based on the mindset "I'm a customer give me what I ask for" and "the Software is cr ap and it doesn't do what I want" then nothing will help I guess

In the future, if you have a problem or an issue making something work in Revit kindly post a question which is specific to your Revit problem, then I as well as many would gladly help you solve it.

[sarsenault2CCSS]

Wow @RDAOU, that was some intense attitude. Please be respectful or helpful, we're trying to solve a real problem here.

This is actually a problem I come across in most of the firms I've been in. The Wall infill is should be optional and we should be able to select at which phase it gets applied if at all. None of the architects I've worked with like the results of the door infills.

[RDAOU]

@sarsenault2CCSS

I guess I can only reiterate: "if you have a specific problem or issue and unable to find a method/solution/workaround to solve or workaround that issue; kindly post the question with a specific description of the problem and I as well as MANY on this forum would gladly help you solve it.

It is a user forum so we are here to try help other based on user experience and not to note down wish lists or smile when they rant." Calling it whatever want, if it is a rant I prefer not to be tagged; otherwise I am obliged to reply and the answer will be polite but most likely not pleasing

cheers

[sarsenault2CCSS]

To clarify, there are two additional problem with wall infills:

• The dashed lines do not show up in elevation
• The dashed lines are not apparent at the edges of the wall as shown below in red

[ToanDN]

Workaround.

[sarsenault2CCSS]

Thanks for the tip, unfortunately sometimes the architects are too particular about the way things are show and don't want to use a different graphic standard. This is the method I used last time to get around it as well, but my boss was not fully satisfied to break her standard.

[dhenkePWD9T]

In real life, when I remove a door I am left with a structured opening that I can choose to close up, leave open, or insert a new door.

Yes!  THIS  ▲

[ToanDN]

In real life, you have to frame an opening before you can pop in a door too. Do you like to have to go through these steps any time you add a door or a window in Revit?

Give some and take some is a kind of how things work.

[dhenkePWD9T]

I don't disagree, particularly if you've got a metal stud wall and you're replacing a ton of doors, but it would be ideal if we were able to choose how Revit behaves to a greater degree instead of being cornered.  Automatic infill is often cumbersome to deal with, especially in a masonry wall.  In a masonry opening scenario, I feel like there's a good case for having a door/window NOT be required to be hosted to a wall.  I understand hosting from a BIM perspective, but from a practical 'how things get built in real life' perspective, it's counter-intuitive and counterproductive in many instances. 

It's funny if you consider what Revit is doing: Contractor takes out window, puts in new brick for entire opening, takes brick out and puts in new window?  Ehhhh...?

[ToanDN]

In Revit, the opening is gone when you demo the door because the opening is a part of the door family (a Void or a Cut Opening), not the wall. If you want the hole to remain when you demo the door, simply create the door and the hole as two separate elements. But I guarantee folks will strike up and down and over if they have to go through that.

[dhenkePWD9T]

That's what we're talking about though, having to create two walls if we want a hole left instead of auto infill.  I think you're taking this too personally either way.  I'm out.  Someone else will get it and agree.

[dhenkePWD9T]

Anywho, my workaround for this, if you're able to stomach using one of your door/wall parameters as a sacrificial lamb (if not you can set up a custom wall parameter); I use comments (TAB to select the wall) add an 'X' to that wall's comments (which is an instance parameter), then create a filter as per the image below.  I utilize View Templates for everything, so once this is set up, I'm golden for all views in which I want infill walls to disappear.

Ultimately I do think this workflow should be improved, such that a door cutting a wall leaves an 'imprint' on the wall (wall recognizes void/cut opening and treats that area as a 'special zone' with instance parameters for visibility), and from there you can tell Revit what to do with that 'imprint'.

Revit is an AMAZING piece of software, but if it weren't for people discussing their needs and ways to make the software they use on a daily basis better, Revit would not even exist.  I have total respect for Autodesk and it's programmers, but the squeaky wheel gets the grease, which is why I post on here on issues I feel strongly about.  I think we're all passionate about it, and love BIM, which is good; not excluding myself, we need to stick together and try to avoid the pitfall of letting that passion come out as anger, or belittling others who may not have as much experience at dealing with some of these complex issues.

[ToanDN]

This is a good workaround to mitigate the issue.

[nzook]

Nudging the new door back and forth in the new plan worked for me; the infilled wall no longer displayed.

[Anonymous]

I completely agree that it would be an improvement if the Revit gods could alter door families to have the cut parameter remain while the door itself can be demolished. A toggle makes sense to me. I've come across this problem often, in fact that's why I am here now. I am attempting to demolish an overhead rolling door and place storefront glazing in the opening. The best way to do this is - as another use said - cut the wall just beside and above the door, demo in new construction, and place the new storefront on the opening. It's always seemed like an oversight that this hasn't been addressed yet. 

[jonathan]

don't use the demo tool click on the item you want to be deleted and in properties >phases click on your phase that set to demo. 

[bms953]

It late but better than never, you can find the solution in the link below:

https://dddmodeling.wordpress.com/2020/01/25/demolition-phase-and-infill-wall/