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Cut Patterns - Age Old Scale Question (Dynamo?)

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rhBDHX4
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Cut Patterns - Age Old Scale Question (Dynamo?)

First off, I realize this is a longstanding issue, and I've researched a fair amount/ read a number of forum posts and other info online.

I'm struggling to find the right balance of cut patterns for my wall/ floor/ roof/ ceiling assemblies for my drawings, which range from 1/4" plans, to 3/4" wall sections, to 3" details--see attached screenshot.

 

Bottom line is that the limitation of only detail cut patterns (not model) is making it tough to find the right balance.  Right now, I'm feel like I've found the balance between plans and wall sections, in terms of showing foam insulation (honeycomb pattern), plywood sheathing pattern, and rigid insulation (crosshatch) pattern. 

However, when I jump up to 3" scale, the patterns feel quite small/ graphically heavy-handed.  Again, I realize Revit has limitations in this department, I realize some folks might say I'm going about this the wrong way, but I sure would love to find some sort of solution to have my cut patterns baked into building assemblies, and looking good at all scales.  Is there some fancy Dynamo / View Filter / other View Template-based means of just telling Revit "hey, make all the cut patterns for this View Template/ drawing scale 4x bigger than normal (to effectively have my 3" scale details look like my 3/4" wall sections)?

For reference, this is a large project, will have literally hundreds of 3" scale details, dozens of wall sections and plans...solutions that involve manually overriding things / blowing up assemblies into parts/ etc on a per-view basis will be too time consuming.  Hoping to find some fancy means of baking the solution into a View Template, no manual overrides or per-view time-consuming strategies.  Probably a dead-end, but figured I'd ask....TIA!

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Alfredo_Medina
als Antwort auf: rhBDHX4

For details, usually, detail components cover the model elements. And detail components can have model surface patterns that adapt to the scale.


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rhBDHX4
als Antwort auf: Alfredo_Medina

Thanks, that is certainly the fallback plan, and I've got plenty of detail item assets, but it just feels like such a bummer to literally recreate entire complex building assemblies with detail stuff...ideally, all the 3D efforts to model the building should be able to look good at all scales, and not force redrawing/ covering over the 3D stuff with redundant 2D detail stuff.  For a project this size, it seems like this option creates weeks worth of work, and opens up the chance for the detail stuff to be incorrect as we dial in/ tweak assemblies.

Maybe this should be a feature request (not sure where to post those):  ability to override / change the scale of cut patterns in a view.  I have to think someone with way more Dynamo chops that me could point to a solution?

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Alfredo_Medina
als Antwort auf: rhBDHX4

I agree that it would be very good to have model cut patterns for walls. But, for some reason that does not exist. However, I disagree that working on top of the model is extra work or redrawing. For example: a CMU layer is represented with a cross hatch pattern. Will that be aceptable for a detail even if the pattern were a model pattern? No, that's why we cover the cross hatch pattern with detail components that show CMU blocks (and bricks, and gypsum board, hat channels, anchors, etc) So, it is different information. 


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rhBDHX4
als Antwort auf: Alfredo_Medina

I agree that for some things, like CMU, yes repeating 2D detail item families are the play. 

I disagree for nearly every other material in my project:  concrete, rigid insulation, the skipping diagonal dash I'm using in the stud walls to represent blown-in-cellulose insulation, the honeycomb pattern I'm using to represent spray-foam insulation in other stud walls, the gyp board little dot/dash random pattern, the plywood sheathing--I don't see any reason why these monolithic materials should be redrawn at any scale.  They don't need any more information than one monolithic/ universal cut pattern, and ideally it would look reasonable at all scales.  Certainly allowing "model" cut patterns would be the obvious solution, but since that isn't feasible, still hoping someone has some trick means of just overriding cut pattern scales globally in a view...

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syman2000
als Antwort auf: rhBDHX4

You won't get much result having the drafting hatch to appear the same as the 3/4" scale. One approach you can take is to convert the wall into parts. In here, you can specify the part to be different material from the original. This will give you flexibility to change the dense hatch to appear different.

 

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barthbradley
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