Curtain wall elevations.

[jfjacques]

I was wondering about best practice for curtain walls. 

Do people make a curtain wall schedule or create elevation/plan views of the curtain walls and dimension these? 

Is there a better way of doing the latter? 

Pros vs cons. 

[ennujozlagam]

for tender and construction purposes it is better to create plans and elevations view. thanks

[barthbradley]

You're talking two different things: schedules and "legends".  Which one are you referring to? 

[ToanDN]

I would create isolated plan/elevation views for curtain wall legend. Creating assemblies and assembly views is another way but you would have to select mullions and panels to add to the assemblies so it could get tiring.

[jfjacques]

Assemblies allow the creation of instant isolated views. They also create schedules. 

The only issues is that I can't seem to modify the window if it remains withint he assembly. I can only add or remove objects from an assembly. Am I missing something here? 

[bin]

Use Tab key. 

[ToanDN]

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@jfjacques wrote:

Assemblies allow the creation of instant isolated views. They also create schedules. 

The only issues is that I can't seem to modify the window if it remains withint he assembly. I can only add or remove objects from an assembly. Am I missing something here? 

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Yes you can.  But you need to edit the assembly and modify the elements inside it.  It is quite similar to modifying a group.

[jfjacques]

I am working with curtain walls. 

The tab key doesn't allow me to select curtain grids. I also can't change the profile of the window.   Makes assemblies a little useless for windows. 

Mullions, and glazing families can be switched. 

[bin]

Not in the assembly editor, do it outside. 

[constantin.stroescu]

Although Assembly could be a good instrument for creating Curtain Wall legends , I find it not a very good choice because I can not dimension on CW grids , as long as these can not make part of the assembly.

So , my option is to make local Sections and then a Callouts in which I isolate the CW and make all the annotations there...Finally gather all these callouts into a sheet that contains also the CW schedule.

[jfjacques]

but I can't edit objects in an assembly outside of said assembly. 

[jfjacques]

Assemblies seem to have too many issues for this project. 

I would like to tag my curtain walls. I can add a type mark but the only way to create different tags then becomes to create different types for every curtain wall. 

This is not a huge issue but I feel like I might be missing something. 

Also, 

I'm doing this in elevation and isolating elements. Again, not that painful but is there a better way of doing this? I'm still left with several views per elevation of curtain walls.  

[bin]

Use Tab to select Grid lines, mullions or panels, you can adjust them, change types, add or delete them to your curtain wall. You just need to edit the assembly and add items you added. 

Its a bit confusing at the start, have some try and you might like it. 

To tag the curtain wall, does the curtain wall have Mark parameter? If so, you can edit your wall rag to have Mark label instead of the Type Mark. 

[jfjacques]

as I said before lots of things don't tab, such as the curtain grid. I also can't edit the profile. 

Yeah I modified the tag, but the issue is that there is no mark in the curtain family itself. 

[bin]

Grids are not in the assembly, you need to exit the assembly editor and select it, same as the profile of the curtain wall.

There is Mark for everything I think...

[ToanDN]

I agreed with @constantin.stroescu that Assembly is limited in editing capability.  So if you are in the design state and still working on the design of the curtainwall then it maybe easier to create isolated non-assembly views for your elevations.

In the example below, I use Assemblies and assembly views to show Glazing types.  The views are for documentation.  I don't work on the curtain wall model in the assembly view because curtain grids aren't available and new elements are not visible should I need to add them to the assembly.  For these reasons, I still use normal model views when I edit the curtain wall.

[jfjacques]

I want to keep the ability to edit the curtain walls.  Can I, or can I not do this with assemblies?  Some people are alluding to this possibility. How can I exit the assembly and edit the curtain wall? It seems like I can't do anything with it once outside the assembly.   Seems pretty idiotic that you would be limited when modifying assemblies, so I'm assuming that this is something I'm missing. 

If you can't actually edit assemblies, I will keep isolating the curtain walls unless someone has a better suggestion. 

I've created a curtain panel legend in order to dimension everything. 

I've created a tag that works for individual panel marks which allows ppl to actually find their panels. 

What I would like to do is organize the curtain panels by their curtain walls: group them via the mark of the curtain wall to which they belong in the schedule. Is this possible?  I'm also looking to get an idea of each individual curtain wall's total area by doing this.  Still possible?  At the moment I'm actually creating new type families for the curtain walls. This provides a type mark organizer in the curtain panel schedule. 

If this is not possible is there a recommended way of organizing these curtain wall panels so that they can be a little more legible? 

Finally is there any way of combining the window and the curtain wall schedules?  Again, I'm looking to get information regarding total areas. 

Almost forgot. If I have a curtain wall awning in one of the curtain walls, it gets counted as a window, not a curtain wall. This seems a bit confusing.  How can I change this? 

[jfjacques]

Whatever I said initially about organizing the curtain walls panels is not working. 

Ideally I'd like to organize the curtain wall panels in my schedule by grouping them according to the curtain wall assembly they belong to. How would I go about doing this?