Creating a family that can host doors, windows etc

[Anonymous]

Hi guys, i am looking to create some panels, but i would like to be able to get them to host doors, windows, just like a wall would. is this possible?

Thanks in advance

[arunag]

Hi, Model In place family of Wall will host windows and doors.

[Anonymous]

Hi, do you mean model in place within the project?

[arunag]

Yes.

[Anonymous]

Well i have a set of panels that i want to keep using in other projects, so modelling in place would be too time consuming. What i was to do is model the panels, load them into the project but be able to host walls and windows in them. is this possible?

[Alfredo_Medina]

No. Perhaps you could create a family that contains a surface with the desired shape. Then, load that family into your projects, and use Wall by Face using the surface in the family, and the result will be a wall that can host windows and doors. However, this might have issues if the walls are tilted. The doors and window will want to stay perpendicular to the ground instead of parallel to the wall. If the walls are not tilted, this would be a good solution.

[L.Maas]

Walls are system family and therefore not loadable. So if you want to host doors and windows in your curtain wall you have two options.

Create a curtain wall doors and windows based on the curtain wall panel template.

Replace panels in the curtain wall with regular walls and host your door and windows in those walls.

Some of the settings and the used loadable families can be placed in a project template so that they are easily available with every ptoject

[Anonymous]

Thank you for your reply, what do you mean by create a family that contains a surface?

[arunag]

As far as I know, only walls can host windows and doors category

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I would have created these panels as walls(assuming panels that you are mentioning is like walls) and save the file.eg panel.rvt

To get it into another project , insert...load as group(select panel.rvt) and use it to host windows and doors. So you have this project file that contains the panels only, and you load the file to other projects as group and edit further.

[Anonymous]

ok thank you will try and give that a shot....

[Alisder.Brown]

If you are meaning panels in a curtain wall, then you can use a wall you have already created in the project as a panel. 

Either set the panel in the type properties or change individual panels by selection. 

This only works if you need simple panels (also a good way to have curved glazing in curtain walls see this video: 

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit-products/getting-started/caas/screencast/Main/Details/1... )

You can use the same workflow in the video for the above

Hope this helps

[Alisder.Brown]

seems everyone replied in that 10minutes xD haha

[Anonymous]

Thank you for your reply. What I'm trying to achieve is create a custom panel (cladding) these will act as our wall...I then want to be able to insert doors and windows....I have attached pictures to hopefully explain a bit more easy to what I am trying to achieve.

[arunag]

Can you please tell what would be the size of each panel?

[Anonymous]

1100mm x 1000mm x 150mm is the most common size panel.....

[arunag]

It can be a curtain panel family and wherever opening of windows or door is required replace with in place family of wall, where the panel was made empty. In place family has to be moved into the location , so disassociate the work plane of the wall family. I put in the vertical grooves too( you may choose to apply a material instead)

[ToanDN]

I think using curtain wall is a good approach.  You can add sub grid where you need to insert fenestration.

In case you want to model each panel individually:

1. Model each panel as a generic model family

2. Model door and window as face based family

- Start the family as face based generic model then change the category to door or window

- Use void to define cut instead of opening

If the location of door and window is consistent (as it should be for pre-manufactured panels) then you can nest face based door/window family in the host panel family and use type or instance visibility parameter to control in the project.

[Anonymous]

You have indirectly given the answer- any panelized (modular) system that is design to have windows and doors should first be modeled as a simple curtain wall.  The modular panel should be a curtain wall panel family- this family will host doors and windows.