Copy and paste to other level

Copy and paste to other level

yes_and_no
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Copy and paste to other level

yes_and_no
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Guys,

We don't normally have problems with small groups copy and paste to other levels, as in apartment units - projects.

Problem specifically comes with top level where we have roofs involved.

 

Copy and paste this (units/roof/truss/HVAC/etc) to a final level always troublesome. Revit "paste to level" button not always available. (Yes, we did this in 3d view).

Copy and paste piece by piece (divide to conquer) approach otherwise so timid that 50% chances we decided to make this top level a separate file and link back to the main model, which is not so great if you continue to make change to it with one eye to the rest of the whole building design.

 

I wonder if someone have experienced these issues can share the work-arounds, dos-and-donts, or perhaps best practices, fix...

Thanks in advance and appreciated.

 

 

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RDAOU
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@yes_and_no 

 

 

The option may be grayed out for several reasons but it is hard to tell which without inspecting the groups and the elements therein.

  1. Based on the elements in question, some paste options may only be available in specific view types (It sometimes does not necessarily have to be the 3D view for paste to work. Try in a different view where all/multiple levels are visible. the 3D view is not a universal view where all sorts of paste are available.
  2. If the group contains elements that are either either view dependent or cannot be Pasted to Multiple Levels causing the option to be grayed out. You might need to check which elements are those by going through the groups and elements.
  3. Check any workset Restrictions. If you're working in a workshared project, make sure the elements aren't locked in a different workset.
  4. Check for elements which may be in a Design Options. If the elements belong to a design option, you might need to switch to the correct design option before pasting.
  5. Clipboard Issue...Revit's clipboard may occasionally glitch. Try Copying again, Restarting Revit.

 

Moreover, the clipboard does use RAM, sometimes large or complex elements could take up significant memory. If your system is running low on memory, copying may fail or cause performance issues. This somewhat explains why copying in smaller batches is working for you more or less.

 

 

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I tend to agree on the RAM limit due to the fact our PC are cheap and still
on Rv17. We have tried reboot PC (not reinstall Rv) without success.

However in some instances Rv did give explanations like "cannot copy
because items in relationships" (=our inside joke, mostly related to roof,
easily fix manually). Just that we don't know exactly what is that
"relationship" Rv mentioned about.

We are looking for a more surely permanent/practical approach.

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RSomppi
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Why does this even need to be done at such a late stage?

Why are you adding another roof level just to copy/paste to it?

Why don't you just move the existing roof level?

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I know what you meant.

For ground and top/roof levels we don't use groups untill DD. Everything are raw for ease of changes.

And sometimes we got carried on.

 

Ground, typical floors and top levels are all worked out at "parking" level until DD, that's when this happens if it is a large project, knock knock. Moving this "parking level" mean moving ground level as well, which is more complicated than copy and paste only the top level.

((Parking level= production/ temp level))

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RSomppi
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I only understood about half of what you are saying but it sounds like a rather cumbersome workflow.

 

Good luck.

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RDAOU
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@yes_and_no wrote:

...However in some instances Rv did give explanations like "cannot copy
because items in relationships"  mostly related to roof,
easily fix manually). Just that we don't know exactly what is that
"relationship" Rv mentioned about.

We are looking for a more surely permanent/practical approach.


 

There are many factors, and it’s hard to guess what relationship Revit is referring to without checking the groups and reading through the prompts that pop up. One example, for instance, is when you have components that require a two-level relationship. Not all, but some components won’t pass if you don’t have that second level above the roof. This is similar to when you try to copy a door to a different level where there is no wall to host it, or when you have a group of ceiling-based components that are pasted to a level without a ceiling to host them. Such elements may be automatically deleted, excluded from group or even cause the Paste to fail

 

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There are some workarounds, such as adding a dummy level or a dummy ceiling ...etc and deleting it once you're done, but that’s not what I would call a permanent solution. The only approach I have found practical over the past few years is to define strict rules for what to do and what not to do, especially for groups, since they can sometimes misbehave. 

 

There are many observations and articles about group behavior and best practices for workflows that extensively use groups at later stages in a project, such as in hospital and healthcare projects, hotels, schools, or similar modular concepts where groups may be practical.

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