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Convert from 3D geometry to 2D generic annotation to insert into legend

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solvdesigns
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Convert from 3D geometry to 2D generic annotation to insert into legend

Can anyone offer a better or shorter process to go from 3D geometry to 2D generic annotation to insert into legend?

 

In this particular case I have a spotlight family where the 3D geometry would be a pain to just redraw in 2D directly into an annotation family.  But, the question is more about the general process.  I tried all kinds of tricks to trace the geometry in the project or family and then paste into a generic annotation family.  I can get it to paste into a profile family, but no luck going into annotation.  Here is the best I could come up with:

 

  1. Create a view that shows the item with a little else as possible. Could do this from family too, but maybe easier to just do from project.
  2. Export just that view to DWG.
  3. Purge and cleanup DWG as much as possible.
  4. Combine little line segments into larger continuous single lines.
  5. Import DWG into generic annotation family.
  6. Use Pick Lines tool to trace imported DWG.
  7. Copy and paste trace lines into a new generic annotation family.
  8. Scale as needed.
  9.  
  10. Save as generic annotation and load into project.
  11. Insert into legend.

I am REALLY hoping that I have WAY over complicated this and that there is a much more direct method of achieving this goal…

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RDAOU
als Antwort auf: solvdesigns

@solvdesigns 

 

Depending on what kind of legend you are talking about...If you are using legend views created via View>> Legends>> legend => you can use detail item instead of generic annotations. This way you will save yourself 2-3 steps for scaling several generic annotation to match each view scale

 

However, I wouldn't go for converting 3D to 2D...I prefer simplified 2D symbolic elements...they do not need to look the same

 

Alternatively

  1. you can create lighting fixture legends from schedules
  2. Add a project instance Image parameter to the lighting category
  3. capture image of the 3Ds or scan original photo from catalogue 
  4. Assign each fixture with it's image
  5. Schedule the fixtures (name/type + the image parameter mentioned above

=> you have a legend like schedule 

 

 

 

 

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JJWGallagher
als Antwort auf: solvdesigns

Legend component? It allows you to pick between plan view or font/rear elevations. 

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solvdesigns
als Antwort auf: RDAOU

@RDAOU 

Thanks for those suggestions of alternative ways of creating the legend.

I was not aware of being able to put detail components in the legend.  That definitely opens up some possibilities... I will need to explore further.  It does look like it is easier to paste into a detail component family than an annotation family.

Yes, I was simplifying the 2D version to convey the appearance without the 3D complexity.

I have used images as a last resort in projects before, but I really don't like to.  It seems like I usually end up regretting it later.  It usually starts as an attempted shortcut to save time and ends up eventually causing issues that take longer and look worse.  I try to keep everything model and vector based whenever possible.

I will do some more experimenting with detail components in legends.

Thanks!

 

 

 

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solvdesigns
als Antwort auf: JJWGallagher

@JJWGallagher 

Thanks for that alternative too!

I had looked at using legend components for this at one time, and decided against it for a reason that I can no longer remember.  Then, I forgot about that option.  Perhaps worth reexamining...

I think I went with annotations because most of the electrical components I was needing to put into the legend already have annotation families associated with them.  So, that seemed like the easiest approach.  Another reason I didn't go with legend components may have been what seems like some arbitrary limitations on the view orientation for legend components.

The spotlights I was working with in this particular case are a good example.  They happen to be a face based family, that is hosted on the vertical face of the wall.  When I try to use that family as a legend component, the "floor plan" view actually shows that front of the lights like you see in an exterior elevation.  The "front" and "back" views actually show the sides.  None of the views show what you see in the electrical plan.  I didn't create the family.  I could probably rebuild the family to get it to work both for the plan and for legend components.  It  seems like the family-rebuild approach would be more time consuming than any of the other options discussed.

Is there something about legend components that I am just missing or not understanding?  Is there an easier way to get the "plan" view orientation that I need?

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ToanDN
als Antwort auf: solvdesigns


@solvdesigns wrote:

Another reason I didn't go with legend components may have been what seems like some arbitrary limitations on the view orientation for legend components.

The spotlights I was working with in this particular case are a good example.  They happen to be a face based family, that is hosted on the vertical face of the wall.  When I try to use that family as a legend component, the "floor plan" view actually shows that front of the lights like you see in an exterior elevation.  The "front" and "back" views actually show the sides.  None of the views show what you see in the electrical plan.  I didn't create the family.  I could probably rebuild the family to get it to work both for the plan and for legend components.  It  seems like the family-rebuild approach would be more time consuming than any of the other options discussed.


For this particular case, you don't need to rebuild the family, just nest it in another wall based family and place that family in the Legend view so you can choose proper view orientation.  

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solvdesigns
als Antwort auf: ToanDN

Good to know!  That will come in handy at some point I am sure.  Thanks!

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solvdesigns
als Antwort auf: solvdesigns

Thank you all!  I am going to mark each of these as a solution because I think each offers viable methods for getting model objects displayed in a legend.

I am still interested to know if there is any more direct way of getting project objects represented in an annotation family.  If anyone has a better process there, please share.

Thanks again for the suggestions!

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