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BUG - Schedule Counts Non-Existent Doors in Curtail Wall Panels

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Samuel.Arsenault-Brassard
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BUG - Schedule Counts Non-Existent Doors in Curtail Wall Panels

I am working in another firm's model and noticed a bug regarding Doors embedded in curtain walls and their quantities in schedules.

 

While auditing the door quantities and comparing the counts to the results in PowerBI, I stumbled across these anomalies.

 

There can be situations where Curtail Wall Doors embedded in Curtain Wall Grids show up in the schedule but are not physically present in the model. See example model.

 

Description of the Issue

Schedule sees doors

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When selected through the schedule, the doors will show that they have properties, but cannot be physically isolated in the model, they don't physically exist (have no geometry, etc)

 

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There is therefore a discrepancy between the model and the schedule quantities

 

Reproducing the issue

This is a "found" issue based on the actions of previous unknown users, still, it should not be possible to show quantities for elements that don't physically exist in the model, no matter if the user is incompetent with Revit's curtain wall logic.

 

The problem seems to arise from the idiotic use of aggressive profiles on curtain walls instead of the proper use of levels, level offsets and wall end locations.

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To reproduce the issue, take a curtain wall with doors, then create a profile area that is too small for he doors to exist, like a 1mm height.

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After the silly profile is applied, the door not longer exist physically, cannot be found/seen in the model, they still show up in the schedule and can still be selected.

 

Please refine this error so that elements that are not physically present cannot be counted in the schedule. In this situation, he doors should be destroyed or a serious warning should prevent the situation that provides inaccurate door counts.

 

See attached test file for concrete issue example.

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Do you need to know how to fix it?

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I don't actually, we're processing files from other customers, so our intention is to have accurate data in PowerBI, if not accurate, at least the same data that Revit would provide.

 

To fix it, the user would need to meddle with the grid and I'd likely recommend redoing the grid entirely with proper boundaries. Then for quality assurance, these elements seem to always have "0" width and height, so a schedule can easily detect the issue.

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Not sure if this is so much a "bug" as it is someone doing this intentionally, and its not jiving with your workflow. Sounds like something you need to discuss with the other firm rather than ask Autodesk to fix something.

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Still blaming the program for user issues?


Rob

Drafting is a breeze and Revit doesn't always work the way you think it should.
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I don't even visit Reddit anymore. It is full of people blaming the program because it doesn't work the way they think it should work. It looks like there's someone else with the same screen name.


Rob

Drafting is a breeze and Revit doesn't always work the way you think it should.
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Consider this a bug report, let the developers decide if they want to fix it or not and if they consider it a bug or not. At the very least, I would add a descriptive Warning message "Panel is too small to exist".

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Try Product Feedback to report your "bug".


Rob

Drafting is a breeze and Revit doesn't always work the way you think it should.
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I've encountered the same issue in several projects so far. It's not always due to "Edit profile". When changing the dimensions of a curtain wall, length or heigth, panels can become too small and Revit "keeps" them eventhough they have no geometry.

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