I've identified a few problems with the Floor Plan Callouts.
By default, floor plan callouts inherit the properties of the parent view.
(I believe there is an error in this article, they call "Floor Plan Callouts" "View Callouts" by error)
"When you add a view callout to a view, Revit creates a view that has the same view type as the parent view. "
That is generally fine, but I don't want to create floor plans in the same series. I want to assign temporary view template to sort the new floor plans I make. However, if I assign a view template that is not dependent, the parameters are ignored! This work differently than any other view type. Revit seems to ignore the view template unless it is permanently assigned and simply copy all the original parameters, not cool!
Furthermore, there is a Detail level problem. By default, create a new floor plan in a "Medium" Level of detail view create a new floor plan with a bigger scale and a "Coarse" level of detail. It seems counter intuitive that you would make a blowup of an are to remove details!
If I try to add a non-dependant view template to change this detail level, it gets ignored halfway, even weirder. So I have a medium view, I tell it to do a Fine floor plan and it gives me a medium floor plan!
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Here's what need to be done to fix this...
When creating a new Callout Floor plan, apply the original properties settings, THEN apply the non-dependent view template properties, not in the reverse order.
When creating a new Callout Floor plan, keep or increase the detail level, do not lower it.
The last report of the view template being half applied is a clear bug. Just make it listen to what the template says and fix the bug.
I just realized that Detail views also ignore the non-dependent view template.
The following view types work properly:
The following view types DO NOT work properly:
Hi
Call outs are not a fixed property of FLOOR PLANS..
Callouts can be of Floor Plan, Elevation, Section etc..
Usually Callout are for
DETAILS... : 1:5 Scale like wall joins, 1:1 Scale detail
Enlarged view of area ; Ex 1:50 Scale Kitchen, 1:50 Scale Toilet
Call outs can by typical details, so while creating callouts, you can assign that
callout to any other view..
you mentioned about Medium and Fine detail while creating call out..
that does makes sense cause callouts are for mostly Details..
If you want to keep the Scale same, Template same.. then you are looking at
Duplicating the View, or Duplicating the view with dependent..
there is a different between duplicating the view, dependent view and callout for a reason...
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To answer your concern though..
While Creating a Floor plan, Duplicate, also while creating Call out,
there is an option to Associate " View Template " by default..
Ex: View Template name : Elevation Scale 200, so when you create a new elevation, that view
will get the view template " Elevation Scale 200 " by default..
this is possible for System Family : Floor Plans, Ceiling plan, Elevation,Section etc...
Hope that helps
Cheers!
I am referring to the way new views are created with sections, etc.
If you just apply a template without making the view dependent, it only applies it at creation and does not stay "attached" to the view. Like simply applying the template at creation.
Checking the "dependent on template" attached the template to the view in the properties palette "permanently".
@Corsten.AuI don't think you understand the question at all. I am way past this level of explanation.
In your Views I see theres no Template assigned ..how do you think that will work?
Check out this.. let me know your thoughts..
I have attached Revit file as well to go through..
Cheers!
There is a misunderstanding. I have a feeling you are not aware that you can apply a view template to a new view without permanently applying a view template. This is what the image on post #5 shows.
This works with sections and elevations, but it seems there is a bug that does not apply it in a consistent manner for callouts.
I want to create a callout, apply some properties on it and NOT have a view template permanently attached to it (without "New view is dependent on template")
So for example, in the file you sent me, there is a section called "Callout Building Section 50 Scale". If you remove the check-mark "New view is dependent on template", it will still apply the template when you create the view, but the template will not be there permanently.
This was explained in he first post, perhaps not clearly enough.
Revit is pretty Rigid in many ways..
I hope the bug you mentioned clears out in next updates or some way to fix it..
I did tried to wrap my head around it... but seems I failed epically..
Revit is taking multiple steps to create those views.. and as you mentioned those
two steps needs to be swapped...
View templates are the toughest part of Revit.. it does makes life amazingly simpler or
just too complicated cause there's no Steps or history '( recorded ) while working in Revit independently of view...
there''s just one continuous history which doesn't help if something goes wrong in the process...
applying two templates one after other to the same view makes the view somehow
completely messed up.. ( and it gets complicated when there are linked files, dependent view, custom settings )
... most of the time I end up recreating a new view and apply
just one new view template..
Hope someone address the issues you mentioned..
Best luck
@Corsten.AuI find I am able to use a single view template for about 85% of my construction views. Of course, it does not control everything like view ranges, etc. I apple the CONSTRUCTION template after the view is categorized to sort in the project browser and this allows me to control 85% of my views with a single template. I'd be tempted to let the users categorize the views themselves, but that would lead to errors and some wont do it, so an embedded "soft template" for categorization would help if all users have to do is apply a single universal template after.
Hi @Anonymous
Thanks for your input.
I have logged this issue with development.
I'll update if we have further feedback.
Regards,
Viveka CD
Designated Specialist - AEC, AR/VR Research
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Hi Viveka,
Any fix or workaround regarding this yet? Thank you.
Regards,
Ellyn
Hi Viveka,
Any fix or workaround regarding this yet? Thank you.
Regards,
Ellyn
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