Beam coping Detail Component

[Sahay_R]

I have been asked to put a detail item together to cope steel beams, and haven't the faintest idea how it works. Does anyone have a (a) family they wouldn't mind sharing or (b) idiot proof directions to put on together?

[cbcarch]

I believe you are needing to create a 2D Detail Component for beam coping, which would consist of a shear plate and bolts.

It could include flexible parameters for plate size, bolt spacing, etc.

See attached for an example of such a detail.

Revit has a Coping Tool that will cope beams-

Modify Tab>Geometry>Cope

It should be noted that these details are always governed by a licensed structural engineer, so before using it on a real project, consult w/ the engineer of record.

[Sahay_R]

Thank you! And it is the licensed Structural Engineer who has asked me to create this!

[ToanDN]

Is that just replicating old structural CAD details to Revit 2D detail component families with possibly some parametric flexing here and there?

[Sahay_R]

Not sure! I'm not a structural engineer, treading water here.....

Here is what I think it is - a masking region nested into the W section detail component family, controlled by the beam parameters and yes/no visibility parameters. Does this sound familiar?

[ToanDN]

- I would use the Coping tool to actually cope the members in projects

- I would not add any detail components in structural families

- There is the structural connection add-in you can explorer if you fancy create 3D connections

- Otherwise, create 2d detail components for connection items and place them in detail/ drafting views.  Open the Details/Metal library folder for examples of such.

[loboarch]

If you need "real" connections, you might want to look at the Steel Connections add on to do what you are looking to do.  it can create quite sophisticated connections live in 3d.

http://help.autodesk.com/view/RVT/2018/ENU/?guid=GUID-645A8C55-900A-42A7-8991-BFF6B2C7F6C6

If you are just looking to cope one beam to another, there is a tool to do that too.

http://help.autodesk.com/view/RVT/2018/ENU/?guid=GUID-6D4BAB18-BC1F-44F0-95A3-00E31CFB21F9 

[Sahay_R]

The only thing that I have been asked to do is generate a coping detail component to use in 2D details.

A PDF that was given to me mentioned adding the detail components to the W beam (side) detail component - but gives no idea of what the family looks like - plate and bolts, or just a masking region. My gut says to add the masking region(s) in the W beam detail component (section). Which of these sounds well loved and familiar?

[chrisplyler]

The the the Engineers should give you a couple of printed examples of how he's expecting it to look, along with explanation of what he's expecting to be included.

Does he want a complete detail component that could be used in a Drafting view on it's own? Is he wanting just some bit of a connection as a detail that could be positioned in a Section view? You can provide the "how to achieve it in Revit" work, but he needs to provide the "what is to be achieved" work.

[Sahay_R]

Definitely a Detail Component that can be used in a Drafting view. 

Besides that - @chrisplyler - whatever you say makes much too much sense.....

[chrisplyler]

Don't worry about it. Just go ask.

"I'm ready to help you with the Revit detail you're looking for now. Can you provide me info on exactly what you want in the detail?"

He/She probably doesn't remember that not everyone on the planet knows the engineering stuff that he/she knows. Just a little reminder will probably solve your problem.

[Sahay_R]

Again, @chrisplyler - that makes much too much sense. I shouldn't need to ask....

So here is what I have. I just added masking regions at strategic locations on the W beam detail component. They can be hidden or not, depending upon the detail. Should do the job - unless something better comes up.....

[barthbradley]

@Sahay_R: Looks beautiful! But that's not showing a coping condition which is basically a connection detail; how two elements be joined together.  

...I just looked at what @cbcarch posted. That's exactly right...unless it's welded. 

[ToanDN]

They may only need a few typical conditions to place on typical steel detail sheet.

[barthbradley]

@Sahay_R: ...one other suggestion that may help (and make you look good too): check on-line with your local jurisdiction. You may find typical details such as these posted on their websites, indicating exactly what they want to see called out in them.  These are part of their submittal requirements. 

[Sahay_R]

@ToanDN @cbcarch - thank you! I will forward these images to the concerned parties. We do have detail components for the connections in our library - my feeling is that the family was required to cope the beam junctions so that the connections could be applied. But again, what do I know? Sit tight - this modesty will last until I hear otherwise from the Powers-That-Be.....

[Sahay_R · Accepted solution]

Solution - here!

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-structure-forum/detail-component-family-for-coping-steel-beams/...