I am a bit perplexed with doing area calculations in design options. I have design schemes (options) and must show an accurate area schedule and area plan for the schemes as a feasibility deliverable for a square foot / cost estimates. Design options was the best route to take given parameters of project scope, modeling, etc.
Areas cannot be moved into design options. Per this error message AND according to Autodesk help about area and design options: https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit-products/learn-explore/caas/CloudHelp/cloudhelp/2017/EN...
However, when creating an area schedule in Revit, you are given the opportunity to select a design option:
Why am I not able to place areas in a design option, but I am allowed to select a design option in the schedule? (shown above).
What logic does Autodesk have for not allowing areas in design options? By comparison Rooms and their parameters work nearly the same as the area calculator and rooms are allowed in design options, and do schedule properly.
Why is this a problem?
As a work around, I set the area plan to view a specific option. Then I have to print a page showing the area plan, and schedule for each scheme; separately from printing all of the documents for each scheme at once when view templates to control design options are in place.
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To be clear,
1.) First and foremost, there is a need to have area plans as part of design options. It is very inefficient to print area plans and schedules separately from the rest of the drawing set.
2.) I was hoping Autodesk would explain the rational or logic, for not including area and area plans in design options. Especially sense 1.) Rooms have similar computations and ARE in design options and 2.) Design Options ARE available in the visibility graphics drop down that can be saved per schedule per design options. I didn't want to assume that this was half-way brought to fruition as it appears.
Again, I am stating a need for such a tool and I am assuming there is a reason behind "why" it isn't there sense the ability is and Autodesk has clearly stated on their knowledge base that "Areas simply are not allowed in Design Options" as shown in my screenshares. Why are areas not allowed in Design options? ...there has to be a reason.
Ha! No, I wasn't asking for the dictionary definition of "perplexed".
This forum is by and large comprised of Users of the Product - not Programmers of the Product. We are perplexed ourselves by some of the limitations of the Product. I would estimate that 20% (maybe more) of my workflow is a workaround some limitation. Over the years some of those workarounds have become unnecessary because of improvements in the Product, and other workarounds have become officially sanctioned and documented workflows by Autodesk. So, they are no longer a "workaround" in the truest sense of the word.
This thread might get more traction if it were posted on these forums:
https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/idb-p/302
https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-api-forum/bd-p/160
Good luck.
I'm running into the same issue.
Surely there is a way to calculate area for separate design options?
Unfortunately, it seems to be working as it should, at least that is what I have been told / advised. The explanation is that area plans are already divided between gross and rentable, and someone can add as many other schemes as they like. By having the function already pre-set in areas outside of design-options - adding the same function to design options would create a redundancy.
It isn't a straightforward solution but it works.
The way Autodesk could have helped is stating that the method for creating area plans for design schemes is to create separate area schemes rather than a simple "it can't be done" or in the case of this thread - no response.
Hey Gerry.
Actually I got it working exactly as I would have wanted.
All I had to do was have dedicated views to the design option, making sure that the visibility of that view was set to display that specific design option, and when I create the area boundary, make sure the design option tab is set to "main model".
You can't create an area boundary while still in the specific design options, you have to be in main model. This is overcome by setting a design view to display the design option and having the tab set to "main model".
But your forum thread helped me come to that answer, so thanks!
Excellent!
I will take another look at it. I was running into the issue with that method...please correct me if I am wrong: but the main model is reading only the design option that is set to primary. So if you had 3 options, you would be repeating your method 3 times, because you would have to make each scheme a primary to see the main model.
No you don't have to do any of that. The workflow is:
- create 3 design options
- create 3 area schemes (name them to match the design options)
- create area plans for each scheme, VV the area plan view and set the design option to match
That's all.
Gerry,
You are correct and that is the reason you need to make a separate floor plan view for each design option you are working on.
So on your first floor floor plan, right click --> duplicate. Next, go to the visibility and graphics view and then the design options tab. Change from automatic to the specific design option.
Now that floor plan view is permanently set to display the specified design option.
You will still have to change the design option when you switch to that view, just like before, but that is no big deal at all.
I wasn't able to get that to work:
- The area boundary must match the design option.
- The changing the primary changed the option, but it updated area boundary of option 1 to option 3...
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So it appears that the specific level is bound to only 1 floor plan layout. That is a nuisance.
What I did was have a separate level that still cuts through the main desired level. That way you can make multiple area plans that still cut the desired level.
Let me know if you want me to share a screen cast.
Check out @ToanDN response. This works good.
Instead of using the preset "Rentable" or "Gross Building", you create a separate Area Scheme.
The area scheme is located in the "Room & Area" of the architectural tab, in the drop down and then "Area contributions"
I had never heard of Area Schemes before, Thanks @ToanDN !
@ToanDN I've followed the steps as you've written them: I've created a new area scheme and area plan with the correct option applied to the view. I'm still getting the error that states: "Areas and Area Boundaries are not allowed in Design Options. Make an Area Scheme and an Area Plan for this Option then draw all Areas and Area Boundaries in that view." even though I've already done these steps. Am I just missing something?
@pjasperR6YKL wrote:
@ToanDN I've followed the steps as you've written them: I've created a new area scheme and area plan with the correct option applied to the view. I'm still getting the error that states: "Areas and Area Boundaries are not allowed in Design Options. Make an Area Scheme and an Area Plan for this Option then draw all Areas and Area Boundaries in that view." even though I've already done these steps. Am I just missing something?
There are two components in your Area Plan view: 1 - Area boundaries/Areas; 2 - Building model.
- The active Design Option (shown in the bottom status bar) must be Main Model, so you will be able to draw Area boundaries and Areas
- VG the Area Plan view > Design Options > set Design Options. so the correct Design Option model is shown
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