We are working much with apartment design and we thought that it may be possible to make a family from the apartment .
The outside walls of the apartment needs not to be with only inside walls, ceiling and furnture. We work with Groups but they not functioning very well espcially
in big projectes.
As there anyway to build such a family.
thank you!
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You are better off having the apartment as a separate revit project, then linking it in to the main project rather than using groups or families.
Very practical. Any edits will need to be made once in the linked file - all the copies will update when the link is loaded.
You can't put Walls or Ceilings or other System Families into a loadable Family anyway.
Thank you! I guess you are talking from experience that you may kindly show a part of, screen shot may be of that Project you use this in.
Sure! Here I have linked an RVT and made copies of it. Nothing special, just CTRL-Drag to copy the links.
Here in VG you can see that the link has been copied
Now look at what happens when I open the linked file, change it, and then reload the link. All the copies update themselves.
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Hi
use groups for units, and you can place them in a new workset " Workset : UNITS "
Use of workset in systematic way will streamline bigger projects.
Links are also a good option, just that to make any changes, one has to open them in different
Revit..Advantage of links is the file will be quick and faster.
Advantage in Groups / Workset is its all coordinated faster, change of some properties in wall types, or
door and floor types will update all the units at one.. but in link its bit difficult..
you can keep some workset "OFF" to work faster.. and keep them on only while printing or exporting..
Thank you for the answer. We did use workset and Groups but we are looking for more effective way.
But thanks everybody for the great input.
It is may be the time for autodesk to implement apartment concept in families template?
I submit an idea about that please support it if you like it
https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/idb-p/302/tab/most-recent
I have used links and groups for projects of apartments and condominiums, without major problems. It is not that they are 100% perfect tools, but in my experience you can work with them.
Actually, I do not conceive the Families for this type of work, nor is it the orientation for which they were created.
Perhaps instead of suggesting that work within a family components, it would be better to suggest improvements for Links and Groups that make it more appropriate tools for the type of work you do.
Can you show your model or workflow and pin-point the issues you have with Groups and Links?
How you're using links and Groups?
You're modeling all 400 apartamens and buildings into the same revit project (file)?
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After explaining the intention of family types in te Ideas Station, groups and links in revit; the user agreed that using Loadable Family (Components) is not the correct workflow modeling units of apartments.
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Here are definitions for what every kind of Families that Revit uses:
System Families
System families create basic elements that you would assemble on a construction site.
Examples:
- Walls, roofs, floors
- Ducts, pipes
System settings, which affect the project environment and include types for levels, grids, drawing sheets, and viewports, are also system families.
System families are predefined in Revit. You do not load them into your projects from external files, nor do you save them in locations external to the project.
Loadable Families:
Loadable families are families used to create the following:
- Building components that would usually be purchased, delivered, and installed in and around a building, such as windows, doors, casework, fixtures, furniture, and planting
- System components that would usually be purchased, delivered, and installed in and around a building, such as boilers, water heaters, air handlers, and plumbing fixtures
- Some annotation elements that are routinely customized, such as symbols and title blocks
Because of their highly customizable nature, loadable families are the families that you most commonly create and modify in Revit. Unlike system families, loadable families are created in external RFA files and imported, or loaded, in your projects. For loadable families that contain many types, you can create and use type catalogs, which allow you load only the types that you need for a project.
In-Place Families
In-place elements are unique elements that you create when you need to create a unique component that is specific to the current project. You can create in-place geometry so that it references other project geometry, resizing or adjusting accordingly if the referenced geometry changes. When you create an in-place element, Revit creates a family for the in-place element, which contains a single family type.
Creating an in-place element involves many of the same Family Editor tools as creating a loadable family.
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Apartment Unit it does not fit in any of them... But groups and links looks to be the tool for this.
Maybe suggest a new tool, beacuse using families would create confusion.
Groups of Elements
You can group elements in a project or family and then place that group many times in a project or family.
Grouping elements is useful when you need to create entities that represent repeating layouts or are common to many building projects, such as hotel rooms, apartments, or repeating floors.
With each instance of a group that you place, there is associativity among them. For example, you create a group with a bed, walls, and window and then place multiple instances of the group in your project. If you modify a wall in one group, it changes for all instances of that group, simplifying the modification process.
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Linked Models
Link models when individual buildings on a campus or different parts of a large building reside in separate project files, or when each discipline works in its own edition of a building model.
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Hi Rina
I'm facing this issue in a huge project which contains 600+ apartment units and the client needs all the apartments to be modeled in revit. also nested link isn't accepted, because each element has parameters which should be filled and this is the requirements of the client.
so if you have any idea how to model this would be so appreciated..
Thanks in advance
Abdelmeguid
The most widely accepted workflow is to model apartment types as groups. The advantage of this is that the group can be edited in context, and that all instances of the group will update at the same time.
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