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Recap Photo & Flex Tokens

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Message 1 of 15
mikejones
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Recap Photo & Flex Tokens

So I have an annual subscription to the Product Design & Manufacturing Collection which includes Recap and Recap Photo. I pay over £3000 per year for the subscription but in order to use a piece of software that I am paying for i.e. Recap Photo, I'm required to pay an additional £1410 for 500 Flex tokens; the minimum amount purchasable. The project I'm working on requires less than 100 photos to cover it fully and 2 tokens to process in the cloud. Are you seriously telling me that I have to spend £1410 just to process this project? Autodesk, you can not be serious!

 

Mike

Autodesk Certified Professional
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Message 2 of 15
habermanz
in reply to: mikejones

I would also like to understand this. What is the point of paying for the software license, if I have to pay to use one of its features, as well?

 

Edit: Well, I found this little nugget of information from https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/recap/learn-explore/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/ReCap-Phot...




How much does ReCap Photo cost?
You can get ReCap Photo by subscribing to ReCap Pro on a monthly, 1-year, or 3-year plan. For exact pricing, talk to your Autodesk reseller or visit the Autodesk Store.

Note: ReCap Pro annual and multi-year subscriptions do not include tokens. Flex tokens can be purchased from Autodesk Resellers or the Autodesk Store.

 

Message 3 of 15
barmanr
in reply to: mikejones

Hi @mikejones ,

 

There was some issue with the home page for the token purchase as the minimum should have been 100 tokens. This can be edited at the cart using the dropdown.

 

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Warmest Regards,



Rishov Barman
Reality Capture
Message 4 of 15
habermanz
in reply to: barmanr

100 tokens is $300. That is still a lot for a little at-home tinkering. But better than $1,000, I guess?

Why isn’t there an option for smaller purchases?
Message 5 of 15
byoungE9EBW
in reply to: mikejones

so just to be clear even if you have a subscription you have to buy tokens to make the points a mesh?

Message 6 of 15
barmanr
in reply to: byoungE9EBW

Hi @byoungE9EBW ,

 

Yes. Scan to Mesh and ReCap Photo services are Pay Per Required (PPR) services that will require tokens.

 

The subscription for ReCap Pro provides access to all the other features like Publish, Registration, Editing Tools, etc.

 

Thanking You.

 

Warmest Regards,



Rishov Barman
Reality Capture
Message 7 of 15
habermanz
in reply to: barmanr

Hi,
So, when we look at free* tools like KIRI Engine for Android and iPhone, for turning photos into 3D models, and produce compatible OBJ files you can download to your PC… and compare them to ReCap Photo, I don’t get why you charge anything beyond the subscription. The app is easier to use and the model seems just as accurate.

The quality is comparable, but at a fraction of the price**. At least in my amateur and limited experience.

* if you want to upload already-taken photos, instead of taking photos from the app, it costs something like $9/month

** 1 token is $3, with an average of 3 tokens to get enough photos for a quality model. So, if you are converting more than one model a month, KIRI is cheaper, if you pay for the premium service (which is optional)
Message 8 of 15
magillaGuerilla
in reply to: mikejones

I just downloaded my free trial - $66 later i am being asked to buy tokens. F U Autodesk!

This is the worst onboarding experience to new software I have ever had. Not only do you have to pay for a free trial but pay more to actually use the software. Why pay for the subscription if you have to pay via tokens?

One way or the other Autodesk, you can't have both.

Message 9 of 15
andrewdroth
in reply to: mikejones

This whole token thing bothers me.

 

Does Recap Photo really come with my Product Design subscription? Because it doesn't do anything useful without tokens? I could see it being ok if the cloud processing was faster, but the on machine processing was still available.

I really, REALLY, don't want to buy 100 tokens when I know I'll maybe use 10 this year. The fact that they expire is another slap in the face.

Perhaps a discount for subscription members would make sense.

 

I don't know. I just feel ripped off is all. 


Andrew Roth
rothmech.com

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Message 10 of 15

Andrew, Zephyr is awesome, fast, processes on your own computer and has a free version, sub or perpetual license and doesn't require rubbish tokens.

Recap has better UV's but Zephyr is better at literally everything else and you can tweak settings and reprocess from the same image set to your heart's content.

Message 11 of 15
mikejones
in reply to: andrewdroth

Hi @andrewdroth 

 

I think the whole pricing structure and time limiting factor for tokens is outrageous and a major driver in NOT migrating from Inventor to Fusion 360 software. The cost of simulations in Fusion is about $18 a go, in Inventor it's free. The same goes for lots of the other add-ons; rendering, nesting etc all very expensive additions making the Fusion transition unaffordable. 

 

Mike

Autodesk Certified Professional
Message 12 of 15
abarr
in reply to: mikejones

Yes, this whole thing sucks in my option too.  Just got off the phone with Autodesk...no budging on anything less than the purchase of 100 tokens.  I just want to try the darn thing out to see the quality of the product.  Told them I would be shopping elsewhere.

Message 13 of 15
mmichel6UEHA
in reply to: mikejones

This isn't a pay to win video game. The more tokens you buy, the more you save!

I was extremely disappointed to learn about this token system after watching a video on processing drone photos. The token system explanation was at the end!! I found it hilarious that the token system was mentioned only towards the end. If you're going to disappoint me, just do it in the first 10 seconds so I can move on.

$84 dollars to run a process? (1386 photos) Lol. I am curious to find out if I clicked a button wrong and processed it, it'd probably make me pay my tokens again.
Message 14 of 15

Thank you @andrewdroth . I have both a PDM and AEC subscription.  I can process point clouds on my desktop with Recap Pro for no extra $$.  I WILL NOT pay Autodesk more to process images for photogrammetry with Recap Photo.  There are other cloud services with more flexible pricing options for a design studio with limited resources and needs.  Better yet, Autodesk, please add a desktop version of Recap Photo with our subscriptions.  I invested in a powerful workstation that is perfectly capable of running software like Meshroom and the other software in my Autodesk subscriptions.  I expect it can handle a desktop version of Recap Photo.  Thank you.

Michael Feinstein Architect Builder
MFAB, LLC

Autodesk AEC & PDM Collections
Windows 11 Pro
BOXX APEXX 3; 128 GB RAM; i9-9980XE CPU; Quadro RTX 5000
Message 15 of 15
mikejones
in reply to: mikejones

It would be interesting to know from Autodesk the number of Recap Photo jobs are actually processed each year, not many I suspect. 

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