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Treat "Mirror" in an assembly like a pattern (maintain symmetry)

Treat "Mirror" in an assembly like a pattern (maintain symmetry)

Right now there is no good way to create an automated mirror of several parts in an assembly. The current "Mirror" command really just creates a mirrored Derived part (or a mirrored assembly) for parts or assemblies which cannot be made symmetric by simply being re-oriented. This is useful but it's not what most people want when trying to perform a "Mirror" operation in an assembly.

 

The mirror command does not maintain the positional symmetric relationship between the original and mirrored parts in an assembly. It should. If I change the position of the original part, the mirrored part should reflect this change on its side of the mirror plane.

 

Just like with a Pattern, there should be no constraints involved. I should simply have to pick the components to mirror, pick the mirror plane, and Inventor should look at each part, and essentially ROTATE it about the appropriate axis and stick it on the other side of the mirror plane. If there are sub-assemblies or parts that can't be made symmetric about the plane by simply being rotated, then Inventor should give me the option to do what the Mirror command currently does as a part of the Mirror operation. But then the Mirror operation should appear in the browser tree as a "Mirror pattern" which can be modified later, and which will maintain symmetry between the original and mirrored instances.

 

 

Note: I'm aware that there are some instances when a 180-degree circular pattern will accomplish this, but that doesn't always work. If I want a left/right mirror of several components, a 180-degree circular pattern about the vertical axis will only create that symmetry if the components are also symmetric on the forward and rearward sides of the rotation axis. If they're not, then the differences between the front and back will be flipped on the mirrored side. Only a true "mirror pattern" will create left/right symmetry in this case.

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blaXCU4W
Community Visitor

Its depressing to see this issue raised in 2015, and still not implemented. Solidworks has had a working feature for this since always... How difficult can it be. Make the mirror feature a editable feature, som you can add, remove participants, and most importantly. The mirror parts shall not be not either  grounded or just freeflowing, their positions need to keep symmetry even if the base is eg. elongated og shortened.

 

 

Melba65
Explorer

Totally agree with @blaXCU4W 

Solidworks has worked this out years ahead and Inventor is still awfully struggling with this Mirror feature in Assembly.

I am waiting quietly (and am not the only one) for this feature to be implemented for years and still no sign of it coming. This is disappointing.

The current Mirror pattern (which is NOT a pattern, hence why shouldn't live in the "Pattern" box) is totally useless.

I have seen people working around this problem by mirroring their part in the IPT Master part file directly, exporting the same solids but with a different name in the assembly, and tweaking the BOM to recognize the same parts based on the same volume... Simply to keep the assembly updating the mirror when the base part moves. This is a ridiculous way of working around such a simple feature: Assembly -> Mirror -> Edit -> Add more parts and keep mirror symmetry = keeps BOM clean, fewer files created, etc.

There is another workaround, which is to use the Symmetry Contraint but this only works on a part-to-part basis so when you have 20 parts to mirror, it's a waste of time... And the Rotate pattern doesn't work for 90% of the time.

 

bbrownXJGFR
Contributor

Hi there. I'm new to Inventor but I used Siemens NX (7.5/10) for 8 years previously. I thought this capability to mirror/pattern components was step 1a when creating a parametric 3D modeling software, right after adding the Z-axis into the mix. The mirror and pattern features that Inventor employs are absolutely crippling when creating complex assemblies. As a crane design engineer, I intentionally design machines with symmetry to take advantage of mirrored/re-used parts (same piece part, used multiple times = fewer unique PN's). The whole point of top-down design is to allow easy manipulation of the assembly in a parametric manner without being, wait for it, GROUNDED to anything. This is a major disappointment to learn the Inventor is so limited with respect to these functions. And don't get me started on "project geometry"....

antoine.f
Participant

We can only wonder why Autodesk has been so silent after 7 years (!) and 500+ votes.
I too have used this feature in Solidworks in the past, and would really benefit from having an equivalent in Inventor.

activeradio
Contributor

Yes... we're all still waiting... unbelievable.  Fundamental, core functionality still not implemented while releases often contain big developments on esoteric functions used by a tiny percentage of users.

 

I'm starting to think they don't ever want to fix this because then it will show up in a 'what's new in Inventor 2047' and people will be like "wait, that's a new function?  Solidworks has had that for half a century!"  😄

dan_szymanski
Autodesk
Status changed to: Future Consideration

Idea added to backlog for future consideration [66038]. Thanks!

activeradio
Contributor

Status changed to: Future Consideration

Idea added to backlog for future consideration [66038]. Thanks!

 

Doesn't sound confidence-inspiring... we'll be doing our workarounds for a while yet by the sound of it.

benedikt_zeilinger
Enthusiast

Oh no, future consideration.

 

I need this basic function that every cad program has also in Inventor. Please!

dan_grossWY4VB
Observer

Just getting back into Inventor after many years. I am a Solidworks user primarily. Agreeing with everyone here. The mirror command should create a feature in the design tree that is editable and with the ability to be re-ordered like any other feature (and I hate to say this "like Solidworks"). It's just not useful to mirror one or a bunch of components, only to have them come out as a bunch of loose parts that have to be constrained again. Please fix.

dan_grossWY4VB
Observer

Another comment regarding mirroring. When mirroring a part to get the other side of a symmetrical part maintain the hole patterns as a hole pattern in the mirrored side so you can use them to pattern other parts such as fasteners, etc.

dan_szymanski
Autodesk
Status changed to: Accepted
 
JacobRL4SN
Enthusiast

say it louder for the people in the back

ProductivCADUser
Enthusiast

My users also regularly ask me about this function. The reality is that other CAD systems handle this better.
I am pleased that this is now being worked on. This will significantly improve inventor's capabilities in assemblies.

When will it be released, is there any news?

ChrisMitchell01
Community Manager

When an ideas is set to Accepted here that means it's under active development. We plan to show some assembly mirror enhancements for early validation, within the next couple of months, to those who are part of the Inventor Feedback Community.

If you're not already a member then you can apply for access using https://Autode.sk/InventorBeta

stephen.v
Explorer

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