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Treat "Mirror" in an assembly like a pattern (maintain symmetry)

Treat "Mirror" in an assembly like a pattern (maintain symmetry)

Right now there is no good way to create an automated mirror of several parts in an assembly. The current "Mirror" command really just creates a mirrored Derived part (or a mirrored assembly) for parts or assemblies which cannot be made symmetric by simply being re-oriented. This is useful but it's not what most people want when trying to perform a "Mirror" operation in an assembly.

 

The mirror command does not maintain the positional symmetric relationship between the original and mirrored parts in an assembly. It should. If I change the position of the original part, the mirrored part should reflect this change on its side of the mirror plane.

 

Just like with a Pattern, there should be no constraints involved. I should simply have to pick the components to mirror, pick the mirror plane, and Inventor should look at each part, and essentially ROTATE it about the appropriate axis and stick it on the other side of the mirror plane. If there are sub-assemblies or parts that can't be made symmetric about the plane by simply being rotated, then Inventor should give me the option to do what the Mirror command currently does as a part of the Mirror operation. But then the Mirror operation should appear in the browser tree as a "Mirror pattern" which can be modified later, and which will maintain symmetry between the original and mirrored instances.

 

 

Note: I'm aware that there are some instances when a 180-degree circular pattern will accomplish this, but that doesn't always work. If I want a left/right mirror of several components, a 180-degree circular pattern about the vertical axis will only create that symmetry if the components are also symmetric on the forward and rearward sides of the rotation axis. If they're not, then the differences between the front and back will be flipped on the mirrored side. Only a true "mirror pattern" will create left/right symmetry in this case.

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AlexZW28B
Advocate

Please, yes... Please!!! Like, it is taking too many years for this to be implemented! C'mon, get your act together Autodesk! Just started using 2020 Inventor and am super frustrated this functionality doesn't exist.

dusan.naus.trz
Advisor

There is now a software rental. I think Autodesk should do a lot more, and not just rely on people's voices. Autodesk should look at the competition of other software, and if it wants to keep up with the market, it should add. He should hire more mechanical engineers and programmers.

dusan.naus.trz
Advisor

Autodesk someday find ideas that have few votes. Then, but it will be too late, customers will be gone.

lesmfunk
Collaborator

Using mirror again and frustrated that this still has not been implemented.

 

Autodesk can't even do the simple programming to add this basic feature that would save hours of time.

 

This is a perfect example of why we have decided to keep our perpetual licences and stop subscription services. No need to pay Autodesk for nothing.

AlexZW28B
Advocate

Coming from the Solidworks World previously - there are many "small" things that Autodesk could do to save a whole lot of time. This Autodesk software feels so clumsy and wastes a lot more of my time on a daily basis compared to other products that are out there - it is kinda sad considering how long they have been "developing"(supposedly) this software. Many users have simple asks - yet they take too long to implement the changes - in a Good/useful way. 

 

I just recently ran into this again with mirroring - sorry had to vent...

andrewdroth
Advisor

Yeah, It's beyond frustrating.

 

They made some changes a few years ago that made mirrors better, but it could still use massive improvement.

 

I have the perfect example in front of me right now.

 

I have this column with brace bolt plates welded to it. I would love to make a copied assembly that is a mirror image, while re-using the parts. But it just can't do it.

 

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/community/screencast/661950b7-9669-45d8-a3ef-13ec48561227

MikeKovacik4928
Advisor
I agree definitely, that being able to maintain constraints for mirrored parts would save a huge amount of time. However, it is not possible in Inventor, Autodesk are obviously not going to or are not able to implement it. I have my own copy of Inventor 2018, where I have kept my perpetual license and stopped subscription services. At the company I work for I use their subscription, and am on 2020 about to swap to 2021. The way I look at it is this. I have used Inventor for plus/minus 12 years now, I have had my own personal license for many years. I have never used solidworks or any similar program and am not likely to. I accept the fact that it can't be done and autodesk won't implement it, and get on with it. When it comes to modifying models that have mirrored parts, I just get on with it and accept the way I have to do it, is the only way to do it in Inventor. If one day Autodesk do implement it, I will be extremely happy!! Mike Kovacik Inventor pro 2018 and Inventor pro 2020 South Africa

For me the most frustrating thing is when you work with people that haven't worked with solidworks and they will never understand the struggle to work with inventor, for them inventor is just fine the way it is. It's like they are horses that can only see what's in front of them.

MikeKovacik4928
Advisor
If you don't like Inventor why don't you go back to Solidworks. This forum is supposed to be for constructive criticism of the software, not for personal gripes!! We get on and do our tasks with the tools at hand. If we find shortfalls and areas that we think can be improved, we report them and get on with the job at hand
andrewdroth
Advisor

I don't have any issues comparing the features of Inventor to SolidWorks if it means there will be more pressure to introduce such features. I think it's nice to know what is available in other CAD packages. Just look at the Rev Clouds in SolidWorks!

This is an Idea Station after all.

AlexZW28B
Advocate

As a side note - I do also see that many Inventor users are long-time users and thus feel the software is adequate. That is just due to so many years of complacency with the software and it's Supposed "capabilities" - which I am sure in some instances is true - but for a lot of instances I come across, it is not.

 

Additionally - in my case, not everyone has the "priveledge?" or benefit of working at an employer for 10+ years. I would like, rather Love, to go back to Solidworks for many various reasons - but since I cannot at the present time, I am doing what I can to try and force changes in the "Autodesk machine" that seems to be taking a long time for little, seemingly simple, changes. Having said that, as mentioned, this is the Idea Station where we should be able to, effectively, "gripe" about software limitations, perceived inadequacies, excessive time wasters, etc. Having worked with other competitor software - more than just Solidworks, Autodesk needs to keep these things at the forefront of their mind - as time is money - and if Autodesk is not making significant efforts to save companies time, then other Software companies will - and do - quicker.

 

Getting back to the topic at hand - I have used Mirror commands in other software, and it will maintain the positional relationship from Left to Right - or from parent to child about the mirror plane. The component may not be different - as it was designed to be used in multiple orientations/locations. However, with Inventor - I have to go and spend additional time to re-mate these components, or (shuddering thought) ground them, to prevent component from being relationally abandoned in the assembly. If a part is mirrored, the child component when moved would then - IDEALLY - reflect that updated position from the parent component. When I use a Mirror at home - it would be frustrating if my other half wouldn't move with me...

 

So, the suggestion is for Inventor to work on their Mirror functionality, relations, etc. I will continue on attempting to get more work done in the mean time.

michaelJ8XYG
Explorer

I cannot believe that Inventor does not have this functionality. This would save me so much time. 

This was asked in 2015 and it is now 2021 without this feature being added.

 

Mirror parts in an assembly and maintain the relationship if the source part is moved. 

Autodesk please make it happen. 

Justinas.Storta
Contributor

There is no point of complaining. Newest, most modern and blablabla version of 2022 doesn't have either. Even today I had the same issue. What the point of mirror? I does the same as I put separately all I of mirror parts and make thousand of mates. Where is time efficiently? Autodesk could make this improvement with updates but no they will wait another or maybe ten years.

They can't even deal with symmetry constrain totally fine, there is a lot to improve for sure!

ydagan
Observer

this is so basic, 

It's so frustrating to have dozens of screws, nuts and washers that you can easily make a "mirror"  and instead i need to repeat all the steps again 

dusan.naus.trz
Advisor

I think that working on large projects without this functionality is very cumbersome, illogical, time consuming, it's just not right.

dusan.naus.trz
Advisor
jsanzWP29P
Contributor

Hi!

 

This topic interests me a lot because, I have experience with Solidworks and I am worried that Inventor at this point in 2022 does not have this tool that helps me save a lot of time.

dusan.naus.trz
Advisor

@jsanzWP29P 

Hi, maybe I'm wrong? But Solidworks has had this functionality since 2011. 🙂

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