while the drawing opens for a large Assembly... having a snooze..

while the drawing opens for a large Assembly... having a snooze..

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while the drawing opens for a large Assembly... having a snooze..

Anonymous
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Hi all,

 

So i have a top level Assembly with 18,000 part in it and working on the drawing is a nightmare (6 sheets, full plan view sheet 1, 1x-section view per sheet). It is so slow and its killing me. 4 hrs into my day and I've done about 30 minutes of work on it. The rest of the time is waiting for it to re-generate the views. i need to have some transparent parts, theres another 30 minutes waiting.. 😞 zzzzzz, have to refresh the material list, theres another 30 minutes.. Aghhh!!

 

I thought 18,000 parts was pretty low these days for Inventor to handle.   

Im just wondering how other people handle large assemblies.  At the moment everything is in this Assembly, there are sub-assemblies and they have everything right down to the gaskets, nuts & bolts in them.

I have set up Substitute level of details so the model side of things is actually usable (down to 8,000 parts), but of course when it comes to the drawing sheet all 18,000 parts have to load.

 

Is it worth in future to create separate shrinkwrapt ipts from the subassemblies and then create a GA (top Level Assembly) using the shrinkwrapt items? Its just another step in a work-around to get the drawings usable.  Is this workflow what other people have to do?

 

thanks for listening! 

Anne.

 

p.s my pc specs are:

Inventor 2016

Win. 8.1pro

64 bit o/s

Intel i7-6700@3.4ghz

16gig ram

ssd hdd

nvidia Geforce GTX970

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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blair
Mentor
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I can't remember is "Load Express" was included in IV2016. It's really designed for working with large assemblies.


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Anonymous
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Yes that feature is available, but it has no help in the drawing sheet side of things (unless i've missed something)

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johnsonshiue
Community Manager
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Hi! 16GB might be on the low side for a 18000 assembly. Could you open Task Manager and see how much memory Inventor.exe uses? It is possible it has already exceeded the physical memory 16GB. This means the disc swap memory is used and it will be slow. Also, do the drawing views reference the assembly in different LOD state?

Many thanks!



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mcgyvr
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Number of parts is really meaningless.. Its really about the complexity of those parts too..

18,000 extruded circles isn't nearly the load as 18,000 complex Nautilus shells...

But with 18,000 anythings I'd still expect Inventor to be "slow"

 

It gets "slow" on me with 1000 complex parts... 

 

Supposedly 2018 has made some decent improvements in drawing update speeds vs older versions..

Might be time to upgrade for that alone..

More RAM..

Simplification...

Level of Detail..

and many others..

 

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/inventor-products/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcartic...

 

 

 

 

 



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Mark.Lancaster
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@Anonymous

 

I'm going to throw this stuff out as well..

 

Limit Windows update.


Disable your anti-virus application and see if that changes the performance. If it does, apply the necessary exceptions


Clean out your C:\Temp, C:\Windows\temp, and your C:\Users\[username]\Appdata\Local\Temp folder. Appdata is a hidden folder and you may need to adjust your viewing settings.


Perform a disk defrag (unless you have a SSD drive). It may be necessary for you to clean up your hard drive and repair registry. Use a tool like CCLEANER (but at your own risk).


Turn off Windows Bells & Whistles, use classic theme, and disable desktop gadgets and unused (Windows) services.. Also configure Inventor and Windows per the recommended performance options here and here

 

If possible keep Inventor Design Data locally. Having it on the network can lead to performance issues.

 

Work locally on your models if possible. If you have to store your models on the network. Leave the common files on the network and move your models back and forth using a file management tool. May want to consider implement Vault basic..

 

Keep your sketches simple and only project the necessary geometry.

 

Resolve issue via the Design Dr. Don't ignore them. Every so often on your model, perform a rebuild all. Other things to consider, limit adaptivity and use modeling functions over sketching commands. If you need to use the adaptive method.. Use it and then turn it off when done.

 

I know this is common sense, but keep your workspace, hard drive, or share network location organized and clean.

 

Properly configure a project file. Define the workspace and etc.

 

Don't put your eggs all in one basket when it comes to assemblies. Demote, simplify or break your model up into smaller chucks, Use the BOM structure (https://synergiscadblog.com/2015/02/06/inventor-bill-of-materials-structures/ ) to your advantage.

 

Simplify, Simplify, Simplify. Determine if the exact details are really necessary. If it is, create a simplified version (iPart, derived, shrinkwrap and etc) of the part. Think about using appearance over detail

 

Review the Autodesk Inventor 2014 working with large assembly performance guide

 

Unload unnecessary Inventor add-ins

 

Invoke defer update and manually update when you're ready.

 

Look at creating View Reps, Level of Details (LODs), or working with Express Mode with your models.

 

Thinking about using the drawing open options to defer updates/fast open

 

Switch drawing view preview to partial or boundary box (Tools/Application Options/Drawing tab)

 

Think about the parent to child relationship. Do you have these options turned on in Application Options (Relationship redundancy analysis and features are initially adaptive) ?

 

Are you putting too much details in your drawing.. Like trying to jam 20lb worth of stuff in a 5 lb bag.. Break up your drawings into smaller chunks.

 

Constraints consume memory. Simplify them as much as possible. Maybe you want to ground your components or consider using skeleton modeling techniques. Or suppress constraints to limit them if you have numerous ones.

 

IF you're using bolted connections, this can impact performance. Create LODS and turn them off when not needed.

 

Set your Windows Virtual Memory to the recommend settings.

 

Make sure your graphics card driver is up to date. Don't rely on Windows telling you it is. Go directly to the Vendor web-site.

 

If you're using the 3D Connexion device.. Make sure its driver is up to date and you have calibrated it.

 

Limit the number of other Windows application that are currently running.

 

Use the "Disable Refinement" option if you're using Inventor 2016 or newer. (This option is located under Tools/Application Options/Display tab)

 

If you are using shaded views in your drawing, try to limit them because they too will impact performance. In Document Settings/Drawing tab, make sure the Shaded View/Use Bitmap option is set to Always.

 

In Tools/Application Options/Display tab, you may want to consider setting Min Frame rate (Hz) to zero. Thus allowing faster rotation/spinning/orbit of your model.

Yes there's a lot of info here and not everything I pointed out will work for you or for others who may review this information. But its another way of looking at boosting performance in your model.

Mark Lancaster


  &  Autodesk Services MarketPlace Provider


Autodesk Inventor Certified Professional & not an Autodesk Employee


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Anonymous
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Currently this GA drawing is trying to load. Task Manager is showing:

Inventor running at 11,840 MB 

InventorViewCompute running at 177 MB... and counting.

 

I had asked our IT guys to get me some more ram, so we will see how that goes.

 

The model has a LOD which ive used with Substitute LODs on some of the bigger sub-assemblies.

 

 

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Anonymous
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thanks for the reply.

 

Majority of the items are pretty normal, circles, rectangles.

I do have 2 assemblies that came from suppliers STP files that have grating and some corrugated plates shown, this could be a big source of the problem i suspect. 

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johnsonshiue
Community Manager
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Hi! Inventor.exe along takes up 12GB RAM. What is the overall RAM consumption on the machine? Does it exceed 16GB? If yes, swap disc space has been used and it would be slow.

LODs in drawing may actually increase memory usage. It is because each assembly in a different LOD will need to be loaded differently in memory. From Inventor drawing's perspective, each LOD essentially represents a different assembly and the views are computed separately. If all views on a sheet reference the same LOD, it would help reduce the memory consumption in general.

Many thanks!

 

 



Johnson Shiue (johnson.shiue@autodesk.com)
Software Test Engineer
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smokes2998
Collaborator
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Get an

 

SSD  installed

 

and the fastest Ghz CPU installed

 

if the assembly is in a vault check the network speeds.

 

Remove any colours from the views.

 

let the drawing load update over night.

 

You can also create one idw file for each sheet but that can create management issues as well.

 

regards

 

Sammy

 

 

 

 

 

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Anonymous
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thanks for all the suggestions.

 

Im not sure, but something weird is going on.

 

in my G.A :

i have View rep set to Master

i have LOD set to master. 

my model has 13556 parts.

 

i set my Ga to

view rep Master;

LOD_A (with nuts/bolts etc suppressed ) i can get down to 4843 parts

 

so expected behaviour as above.

 

when i put my GA onto a drawing sheet:

view: master

Lod:master

i have 13556 parts as expected.

 

if i change to:

view master:

LOD_A (with nuts/bolts suppressed) 

i have 4843 parts as expected

 

When i add my material list or an item balloon i expect my drawing to revert back to 13556 parts as it loads back into memory everything, BUT this is the weird part it loads 18399 .. 

 

Why? why does it do this? Maybe i dont need to know, but this drawing is killing me!

 

 

just did a little experiment with a model with 4 parts in it. my LOD drops it to 2 parts, i put it onto a drawing sheet with the LOD selected, i have 2 parts, i put a material list on this drawing, it loads 6 parts. ?? why?

 

Is this expected behaviour? As far as i can tell its slowing my drawings down 😞

 

Anne.

 

 

 

 

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