New sketch on XZ Plane - puts me on wrong side

[Anonymous]

When I pick the XZ plane to create a new sketch, then Look At it, the red
origin indicator is pointing left, meaning I'm on the back side. How did I
get over on the front side. Something with flip axis or something like that?

[Anonymous]

right click on the plane and choose "flip normal". then do the look at
again
"mvier40" wrote in message
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> When I pick the XZ plane to create a new sketch, then Look At it, the red
> origin indicator is pointing left, meaning I'm on the back side. How did I
> get over on the front side. Something with flip axis or something like
that?
>
>

[Anonymous]

I'm not seeing this option, dude.

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"Jeramy Williams" wrote in message
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> right click on the plane and choose "flip normal". then do the look at
> again
> "mvier40" wrote in message
> news:87126DE68D9D4665CB4F7B6F74C8C803@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > When I pick the XZ plane to create a new sketch, then Look At it, the
red
> > origin indicator is pointing left, meaning I'm on the back side. How did
I
> > get over on the front side. Something with flip axis or something like
> that?
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

I don't think you can "flip normal" on the origin planes.

QBZ


"Jeramy Williams" wrote in message
news:FEDF5C0172E3B91E0996947A95427A34@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> right click on the plane and choose "flip normal". then do the look
at
> again
> "mvier40" wrote in message
> news:87126DE68D9D4665CB4F7B6F74C8C803@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > When I pick the XZ plane to create a new sketch, then Look At it,
the red
> > origin indicator is pointing left, meaning I'm on the back side. How
did I
> > get over on the front side. Something with flip axis or something
like
> that?
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

Please don't tell me I have to create "dummy" offset 0 workplane off the XZ
plane and base a sketch off of that?!?!? It's the only way I can see to do
it.

Is this a frickin' bug??


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"mvier40" wrote in message
news:87126DE68D9D4665CB4F7B6F74C8C803@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> When I pick the XZ plane to create a new sketch, then Look At it, the red
> origin indicator is pointing left, meaning I'm on the back side. How did I
> get over on the front side. Something with flip axis or something like
that?
>
>

[Anonymous]

It is a conspiracy to find out how many people use the tabs in the
Extrusion dialog to find the "alternate solution" switch.

Seriously, the wacked way the "normals" of the origin planes behave (try
to figure them out-it's a good 3Dspacial relations excercise) are due to
the modelling kernal and the way it percieves "surface" U & V vectors.
Even with mapping the "surface" normals to the XY "solid" normals, it is
still wacked, IMO.

QBZ

"mvier40" wrote in message
news:1E654283FBED11C60DC7E3547CC9E3D4@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Please don't tell me I have to create "dummy" offset 0 workplane off
the XZ
> plane and base a sketch off of that?!?!?

[Anonymous]

Sounds like your telling me I gotta make a dummy workplane and flip its
normal.

Wacked is a good word!!

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"Quinn Zander" wrote in message
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> It is a conspiracy to find out how many people use the tabs in the
> Extrusion dialog to find the "alternate solution" switch.
>
> Seriously, the wacked way the "normals" of the origin planes behave (try
> to figure them out-it's a good 3Dspacial relations excercise) are due to
> the modelling kernal and the way it percieves "surface" U & V vectors.
> Even with mapping the "surface" normals to the XY "solid" normals, it is
> still wacked, IMO.
>
> QBZ
>
> "mvier40" wrote in message
> news:1E654283FBED11C60DC7E3547CC9E3D4@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Please don't tell me I have to create "dummy" offset 0 workplane off
> the XZ
> > plane and base a sketch off of that?!?!?
>
>

[Anonymous]

You can extrude any direction, try selecting the view orientation you want
with the common view box. Then sketch looking from the other side.

Hope this helps

Matt

"mvier40" wrote in message
news:1E654283FBED11C60DC7E3547CC9E3D4@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Please don't tell me I have to create "dummy" offset 0 workplane off the
XZ
> plane and base a sketch off of that?!?!? It's the only way I can see to do
> it.
>
> Is this a frickin' bug??
>
>
> --
>
> Have a nice day
>
> "mvier40" wrote in message
> news:87126DE68D9D4665CB4F7B6F74C8C803@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > When I pick the XZ plane to create a new sketch, then Look At it, the
red
> > origin indicator is pointing left, meaning I'm on the back side. How did
I
> > get over on the front side. Something with flip axis or something like
> that?
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

Thanks Matt, but not really cuz I was inserting an AutoCAD drawing as a
sketch and it sticks it in backwards. So I either mirror the sketch in
AutoCAD first before I insert, or create the dummy workplane with the normal
flipped (which is what I chose to do).

Thanks again.

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"Matt Luedke" wrote in message
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> You can extrude any direction, try selecting the view orientation you want
> with the common view box. Then sketch looking from the other side.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Matt
>
> "mvier40" wrote in message
> news:1E654283FBED11C60DC7E3547CC9E3D4@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Please don't tell me I have to create "dummy" offset 0 workplane off the
> XZ
> > plane and base a sketch off of that?!?!? It's the only way I can see to
do
> > it.
> >
> > Is this a frickin' bug??
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Have a nice day
> >
> > "mvier40" wrote in message
> > news:87126DE68D9D4665CB4F7B6F74C8C803@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > When I pick the XZ plane to create a new sketch, then Look At it, the
> red
> > > origin indicator is pointing left, meaning I'm on the back side. How
did
> I
> > > get over on the front side. Something with flip axis or something like
> > that?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

Use heavy caution when flipping planes.

Try to imagine what happens if they ever decide to normalize themselves.
It is kinda like constraining in a sheetmetal part, then going back in
and reversing the extrustion/face direction of the part. All of a sudden
you are standing there wearing your skin on the inside while you bleed
to death trying to pick up your internal organs off the floor.

Captian Archer risks this if he goes any deeper into the expanse.

QBZ


"mvier40" wrote in message
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> Sounds like your telling me I gotta make a dummy workplane and flip
its
> normal.
>
> Wacked is a good word!!

[Anonymous]

I have not been able to duplicate this.... are you using a default
template, or one you have created?

Here's what I tried...

1. Set Tools > App Options > Part to Sketch on XZ Plane. Open
standard.ipt. Do Look at and select XZ from Origins. + Z is coming
towards me, with Xaxis (red) to the right, and extrude default always
goes in the +Z direction.

2. Set Tools > App Options > Part to Sketch on XY Plane(Default). Open
standard.ipt. Close and delete original sketch. Create New Sketch on XZ
Plane. Do Look at and select XZ from Origins.
+ Z is coming towards me, with Xaxis (red) to the right, and extrude
default always goes in the +Z

What are you doing differently?

Dennis

mvier40 wrote:

>When I pick the XZ plane to create a new sketch, then Look At it, the red
>origin indicator is pointing left, meaning I'm on the back side. How did I
>get over on the front side. Something with flip axis or something like that?
>
>
>
>

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Dennis Jeffrey
Autodesk Product Consulting and Training
Center for Design Excellence
http://www.design-excellence.com
260-459-1311 ext 221 or 800-550-6070 ext 221

[Anonymous]

The sketch I am doing is the second in the part. I start off on sketching on
the xy plane. Then when I select the XZ plane, that's when it does it. I
don't wish to begin my part on the XZ plane.

Try this:
1. Start a new part, sketch and extrude a simple shape on the XY plane.
2. Select the XZ plane in the origin folder, create a new sketch.
3. Bingo.

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"Dennis Jeffrey" wrote in message
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> I have not been able to duplicate this.... are you using a default
> template, or one you have created?
>
> Here's what I tried...
>
> 1. Set Tools > App Options > Part to Sketch on XZ Plane. Open
> standard.ipt. Do Look at and select XZ from Origins. + Z is coming
> towards me, with Xaxis (red) to the right, and extrude default always
> goes in the +Z direction.
>
> 2. Set Tools > App Options > Part to Sketch on XY Plane(Default). Open
> standard.ipt. Close and delete original sketch. Create New Sketch on XZ
> Plane. Do Look at and select XZ from Origins.
> + Z is coming towards me, with Xaxis (red) to the right, and extrude
> default always goes in the +Z
>
> What are you doing differently?
>
> Dennis
>
> mvier40 wrote:
>
> >When I pick the XZ plane to create a new sketch, then Look At it, the red
> >origin indicator is pointing left, meaning I'm on the back side. How did
I
> >get over on the front side. Something with flip axis or something like
that?
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Dennis Jeffrey
> Autodesk Product Consulting and Training
> Center for Design Excellence
> http://www.design-excellence.com
> 260-459-1311 ext 221 or 800-550-6070 ext 221
>
>

[Anonymous]

What is the possibility of them normalizing on their own without
intervention? Say when you upgrade to 8??

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"Quinn Zander" wrote in message
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> Use heavy caution when flipping planes.
>
> Try to imagine what happens if they ever decide to normalize themselves.
> It is kinda like constraining in a sheetmetal part, then going back in
> and reversing the extrustion/face direction of the part. All of a sudden
> you are standing there wearing your skin on the inside while you bleed
> to death trying to pick up your internal organs off the floor.
>
> Captian Archer risks this if he goes any deeper into the expanse.
>
> QBZ
>
>
> "mvier40" wrote in message
> news:EA66A63DA790150882D7B9C60DCE85C4@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Sounds like your telling me I gotta make a dummy workplane and flip
> its
> > normal.
> >
> > Wacked is a good word!!
>
>

[Anonymous]

I just found I had to sketch on the XY plane. Now that one does it right -
the Y indicator points to the right!!! Wierd.

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"mvier40" wrote in message
news:87126DE68D9D4665CB4F7B6F74C8C803@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> When I pick the XZ plane to create a new sketch, then Look At it, the red
> origin indicator is pointing left, meaning I'm on the back side. How did I
> get over on the front side. Something with flip axis or something like
that?
>
>

[Anonymous]

It does happen... and upgrades are a VERY nervous time when it comes to
migrating stuff over.

QBZ


"mvier40" wrote in message
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> What is the possibility of them normalizing on their own without
> intervention? Say when you upgrade to 8??

[JLeeSaxon]

This issue is still not fixed in Inventor 2013.

How much do we pay for this program?!

[Anonymous]

Maybe this helps, you can change you're front by right clicking the cube(with the views front,back,right,etc on it) in the right-corner or reset yout front, the x,y,z axis will also change.

[stevec781]

Resetting the cube front doesn't make any difference if you want to sketch on the XZ plane.  You can see in the pic below the part X axis is pointing left, the sketch x axis is pointing right and the cube has spun to show back.  I don't know what's more ridiculous, the fact that Inventor does this or that fact that it hasn't been addressed in the 9 years since the OP.

[mrattray]

iCloud is more important than logical spatial relations behaviour!

[Anonymous]

I agree 100%. It's been way way too long with this mess.