Nesting Help - Source Files Won't use my Materials

andrewdroth
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Nesting Help - Source Files Won't use my Materials

andrewdroth
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I have a 3/4" material listed, but when I bring in the source files it wants to make it's own. Why is that?

 

 

 


Andrew Roth
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bobvdd
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Not sure what is going on. We only create a new material if the material name in the source part does not match any existing name in the Material column in the Process Material Library and if the associated thickness does not exist yet.
For instance for your 0.75in thick 316L material, I expect the software to reuse the existing material.

From the video I also noticed that some of the materials, cached in the source files, differ from the materials in the Inventor library (hence the orange Density cells). Also on many materials the density is <Not set> which could also be part of your problem.

Bob




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I looked at your video more closely Andrew and I saw that some of your materials are sync'd to Inventor materials and others aren't. I think you would avoid the creation of the duplicate materials if you would not sync to Inventor in the Provider column prior to bringing in more parts to nest. It seems that sync'd materials are not recognized as being identical to cached materials, even if they have identical parameters.

I have put this in our defect/enhancement database with ticket TRUNINV-1775 as we want you to use the syncing mechanism not avoid it šŸ˜ž

Thanks.

Bob




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andrewdroth
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Awesome!

 

Thanks Bob!


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andrewdroth
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@bobvdd 

 

I'm at a loss here.

 

I've tried it with the provider set to 'null' and with it sent to 'Inventor with the remote material set and it still want's to create duplicate materials.

 

Ideally it would just link to the sheet metal styles that already has this information defined...


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That sounds weird. 

Let's say you add part1 using material1 to a nest and you do not touch the Provider in the Process Material Library (by default, the Provider field for material1 should be empty , not <null> or something else).

If you then add part2, which happens to have the same material1, to the nest, no extra material should be created.

If that is not the case, I would like to get a copy of those two parts and a copy of the .inest file to investigate.

Thanks

Bob




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andrewdroth
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@bobvdd ,

 

I'm trying to do this on an assembly with 280 parts which isn't helping me troubleshoot...

 

Here's what I've done. I tried loading the source assembly with all of the materials synced with inventor, and another time with none of them synced. After saying no to the  "some source mat's could not be mapped..." dialog I took a screenshot of the available materials. See below.

 

Sync'd with IV materials.

Available MaterialsAvailable MaterialsMaterial ListMaterial ListMaterial ExampleMaterial ExampleWarningWarning

 

NO Sync

AvailibleAvailibleMaterial ExampleMaterial ExampleMaterialsMaterialsWarningWarning

 


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Note. I expect to see the 300W material mapping warning as I do not have a material for those parts.


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@bobvdd 

 

A Pack&Go doesn't work on a .inest file does it?


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andrewdroth
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Here's an example file.

Is it because I made the materials by hand before adding a source?

 

 

 

 

 


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bobvdd
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Your inkling is absolutely right Andrew.

Materials created by hand in the inest document are not recognized and mapped to existing cached Inventor materials with the same name and same properties. Only materials imported from previous sources are recognized for subsequent imports. 
My workaround to this would be to use Duplicate or Copy/Paste of an imported material which would give following process:

1) import one of your part sources in an empty inest doc, let's say 304L with thickness 0.125in

2) Duplicate that material several times and change the thickness and name to the different thickness you use ( 0.5in, 0.313in, 0.1875in etc)

3) Delete the source from the .inest doc and save the .inest as your default inest template and use that template going forward.

 

I have logged this as ticket TRUNINV-1783
Thanks

Bob

 




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andrewdroth
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Thanks @bobvdd ,

 

Is this a bug? In future releases will selecting the "remote material name" link the material?


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I consider it a bug both for materials only cached in the ipt and for materials stored in the Inventor material library first (and then later synch'd to a nest material in nesting utility via the remote material provider).
We need to fix it for both type of materials as this was one of the important premises we made when we created the utility.

Bob




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bverboort
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Seems to still be a thing? 2020 with latest updates?

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bobvdd
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Indeed that ticket TRUNINV-1783 is still not fixed as far as I can see.




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KakaSungura
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Hi. I'm having the same exact problem. I've tried all the following workarounds, but the Nest Tool still wants to create a new material:

- Add From Provider in Process Material Library

- Add From Provider and then Sync from Provider

- Make both material and thickness the same as that in the .ipt sheet metal file

- Leave Material Provider and Remote material name blank in Process Material Library

 

What gives? What should I do now - remove all materials and start a blank nesting file?

 

The images attached show what I'm going through. I really don't want to have to export to dxf, and then import again. I just want to use as few files as possible.


Could I get some help? Thanks.

 

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phillip.doup
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Hello All,

 

I just wanted to pop in here to inform you guys that we'll be releasing a hotfix on August 15 that fixes this issue. 


 Phillip Doup
 Architect - Fusion Platform UI