MDT6/ADT33 INV6 to 3dsmax 5

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MDT6/ADT33 INV6 to 3dsmax 5

Anonymous
Not applicable
‎02-18-2003 04:55 PM
This ones a real cracker.

I natively model with Inv Series 6, and can easily get my INV models into
3dsmax and VIZ via the INV importers. I also use Autodesk MDT6/ADT3.3 for
certain clients who deliver their models using these apps. Now heres the
catch.

I am using all the Autodesk flagship apps so I am now within one companies
boundries.
I cannot for the love of money get MDT/ADT models into Max with out loosing
data.
This is because these apps use the arx programs and the native DWG importers
into MAX/VIZ do not support this. However the DWG File link manager within
ViZ does support arx, and creates what is called VizBlocks in side Viz. I
prefer to use Max as it supports spacewarps, particles, Video post and has
much better animation controllers than Viz, as Viz is somewhat stripped
down.

The problem is to get an MDT/ADT model into Max. I have to use Viz. first
via the DWG File link manager. Then I need to export out of VIZ in Dwg
format a new DWG (NOTE Not a Max file) as this collapses the arx app data
chunks and converts the VizBlocks to regular DWG layers.

Now I can import this 2nd gen dwg into Max. All this data translating seams
riduclas.

Autodesk have for Max what is called the design Extensions and only
available to Max subscription users. These exts allow Max to do what Viz can
Do.

I dont have this subscription as it works the same as the INV subscription
and the Max life cycle is 18 months on average which means another 12 months
to go, before upgrading and getting the subscription.

Does anyone have a better way to do this, or is there another utility out
there. I have been in contact with the Autodesk ABC and I am still waiting.
Any help now will be appreciated.

Sorry if this post is not directly INV related but the problems I am having
seem to be a mixed bag betwwen apps. I know we have talented technical
ideas out there in this forum and MDT is part of the INV Series.

Thanks in advance

Colin
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Anonymous
Not applicable
‎02-18-2003 10:21 PM
Colin,

 

This does not directly answer your question,
but...

 

I recieve MDT models that I bring into 3ds max
all the time. I first STEP the model out of MDT, STEP into inventor, then import
the Inventor data to 3ds max. Sound like a pain, but in my experience 3ds max
handles data from IV much better... it seems much more lightweight that a direct
MDT import, also it comes in more accurately. Worth the extra step (no pun
:) in my opinion.

 

Andrew
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Anonymous
Not applicable
‎02-18-2003 10:27 PM
As you mentioned, the Design Extension gives you the file-link capability
but to subscription customers only.

Alternatively, if you have both Autodesk VIZ 4 and 3ds MAX 5 installed on
the same machine you can use the "VizCopyTool" utility to get some of the
functionality of VIZ into MAX (including DWG FileLinking) and it is free
(this utility was a precursor to the Design Extension).

Download the utility for MAX5 here:
ftp://ftp1.discreet.com/web/support/3dstudio/vizcopytool5.exe

Readme: ftp://ftp1.discreet.com/web/support/3dstudio/vizcopytool.htm

Installation guide:
http://discussion.discreet.com/3dsmax/Doc_Source/vizcopytoolinstall.htm

When you read the documentation, it will refer to using Max 4.2/4.3 - ignore
this. This documentation was written before MAX5 and never got updated.

-Ryan


--
----------
Ryan Small
Solid Caddgroup Inc.
Authorized Autodesk Systems Center
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Ph:905-331-9670 Fx:905-331-7280
http://www.solidcadcam.com
ryan@solidcadcam.com


"Colin Mclean" wrote in message
news:C03C24C4031254A7CB1E139C6E51E003@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> This ones a real cracker.
>
> I natively model with Inv Series 6, and can easily get my INV models into
> 3dsmax and VIZ via the INV importers. I also use Autodesk MDT6/ADT3.3 for
> certain clients who deliver their models using these apps. Now heres the
> catch.
>
> I am using all the Autodesk flagship apps so I am now within one companies
> boundries.
> I cannot for the love of money get MDT/ADT models into Max with out
loosing
> data.
> This is because these apps use the arx programs and the native DWG
importers
> into MAX/VIZ do not support this. However the DWG File link manager within
> ViZ does support arx, and creates what is called VizBlocks in side Viz. I
> prefer to use Max as it supports spacewarps, particles, Video post and has
> much better animation controllers than Viz, as Viz is somewhat stripped
> down.
>
> The problem is to get an MDT/ADT model into Max. I have to use Viz. first
> via the DWG File link manager. Then I need to export out of VIZ in Dwg
> format a new DWG (NOTE Not a Max file) as this collapses the arx app data
> chunks and converts the VizBlocks to regular DWG layers.
>
> Now I can import this 2nd gen dwg into Max. All this data translating
seams
> riduclas.
>
> Autodesk have for Max what is called the design Extensions and only
> available to Max subscription users. These exts allow Max to do what Viz
can
> Do.
>
> I dont have this subscription as it works the same as the INV subscription
> and the Max life cycle is 18 months on average which means another 12
months
> to go, before upgrading and getting the subscription.
>
> Does anyone have a better way to do this, or is there another utility out
> there. I have been in contact with the Autodesk ABC and I am still
waiting.
> Any help now will be appreciated.
>
> Sorry if this post is not directly INV related but the problems I am
having
> seem to be a mixed bag betwwen apps. I know we have talented technical
> ideas out there in this forum and MDT is part of the INV Series.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Colin
>
>
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Anonymous
Not applicable
‎02-19-2003 01:23 AM
Thanks Ryan

I knew there had to be a solution. I have installed it and it works. My only
concern now is it was written for Max4 and repaces some dlls. It did not
backup all the dlls it claims to back up and will this cause me grief later
down the line as I am on Max 5.1.

Maybe Autodesk can throw in its 2 cents here

Thanks again

Colin



"Ryan Small" wrote in message
news:0E260E41C6A87B4E869AC5FC62F23A51@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> As you mentioned, the Design Extension gives you the file-link capability
> but to subscription customers only.
>
> Alternatively, if you have both Autodesk VIZ 4 and 3ds MAX 5 installed on
> the same machine you can use the "VizCopyTool" utility to get some of the
> functionality of VIZ into MAX (including DWG FileLinking) and it is free
> (this utility was a precursor to the Design Extension).
>
> Download the utility for MAX5 here:
> ftp://ftp1.discreet.com/web/support/3dstudio/vizcopytool5.exe
>
> Readme: ftp://ftp1.discreet.com/web/support/3dstudio/vizcopytool.htm
>
> Installation guide:
> http://discussion.discreet.com/3dsmax/Doc_Source/vizcopytoolinstall.htm
>
> When you read the documentation, it will refer to using Max 4.2/4.3 -
ignore
> this. This documentation was written before MAX5 and never got updated.
>
> -Ryan
>
>
> --
> ----------
> Ryan Small
> Solid Caddgroup Inc.
> Authorized Autodesk Systems Center
> Burlington, Ontario, Canada
> Ph:905-331-9670 Fx:905-331-7280
> http://www.solidcadcam.com
> ryan@solidcadcam.com
>
>
> "Colin Mclean" wrote in message
> news:C03C24C4031254A7CB1E139C6E51E003@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > This ones a real cracker.
> >
> > I natively model with Inv Series 6, and can easily get my INV models
into
> > 3dsmax and VIZ via the INV importers. I also use Autodesk MDT6/ADT3.3
for
> > certain clients who deliver their models using these apps. Now heres the
> > catch.
> >
> > I am using all the Autodesk flagship apps so I am now within one
companies
> > boundries.
> > I cannot for the love of money get MDT/ADT models into Max with out
> loosing
> > data.
> > This is because these apps use the arx programs and the native DWG
> importers
> > into MAX/VIZ do not support this. However the DWG File link manager
within
> > ViZ does support arx, and creates what is called VizBlocks in side Viz.
I
> > prefer to use Max as it supports spacewarps, particles, Video post and
has
> > much better animation controllers than Viz, as Viz is somewhat stripped
> > down.
> >
> > The problem is to get an MDT/ADT model into Max. I have to use Viz.
first
> > via the DWG File link manager. Then I need to export out of VIZ in Dwg
> > format a new DWG (NOTE Not a Max file) as this collapses the arx app
data
> > chunks and converts the VizBlocks to regular DWG layers.
> >
> > Now I can import this 2nd gen dwg into Max. All this data translating
> seams
> > riduclas.
> >
> > Autodesk have for Max what is called the design Extensions and only
> > available to Max subscription users. These exts allow Max to do what Viz
> can
> > Do.
> >
> > I dont have this subscription as it works the same as the INV
subscription
> > and the Max life cycle is 18 months on average which means another 12
> months
> > to go, before upgrading and getting the subscription.
> >
> > Does anyone have a better way to do this, or is there another utility
out
> > there. I have been in contact with the Autodesk ABC and I am still
> waiting.
> > Any help now will be appreciated.
> >
> > Sorry if this post is not directly INV related but the problems I am
> having
> > seem to be a mixed bag betwwen apps. I know we have talented technical
> > ideas out there in this forum and MDT is part of the INV Series.
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> > Colin
> >
> >
>
>
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Anonymous
Not applicable
‎02-19-2003 01:45 AM
Actually the setup files that I directed you to were for Max5 (the filename
remember was "VizCopyTool5.exe") - It was only the documentation that was
for Max4. You installed the correct version based on your copy of Max (V5).
Discreet also makes available a Max4 version of the setup files which
doesn't apply to you. You shouldn't have any problems with incompatible
DLL's and such because all the files that were installed/overwritten were
compiled for Max5.

-Ryan


--
----------
Ryan Small
Solid Caddgroup Inc.
Authorized Autodesk Systems Center
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Ph:905-331-9670 Fx:905-331-7280
http://www.solidcadcam.com
ryan@solidcadcam.com


"Colin Mclean" wrote in message
news:2A5FC7C439E6C31BA71C1BC5DC5AD1A8@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Thanks Ryan
>
> I knew there had to be a solution. I have installed it and it works. My
only
> concern now is it was written for Max4 and repaces some dlls. It did not
> backup all the dlls it claims to back up and will this cause me grief
later
> down the line as I am on Max 5.1.
>
> Maybe Autodesk can throw in its 2 cents here
>
> Thanks again
>
> Colin
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Anonymous
Not applicable
‎02-19-2003 01:55 AM
Correction.. it is also for Max 5. I hope it does not cause 5.1 too many
problems.
Forgive me complaining here, but this is frustrating.

The exts should readily be availble for Max users, as we paid double the
price of Viz, and we should not be muscled by Autodesk because they are
trying to get more from us. What would have been the case, if i did not also
own Viz . Autodesk would be sitting pretty with my $3g and I would be
sitting with a problem, while there was a solution readily available. I
thinks its rediculas I have to own 2 products to do 1 job. I had my
Discreet And Autodesk dealers standing on their heads with this one trying,
to get over the bureaucrats at Autodesk.

Anyway for now I have a solution. Thanks again

Colin




"Colin Mclean" wrote in message
news:2A5FC7C439E6C31BA71C1BC5DC5AD1A8@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Thanks Ryan
>
> I knew there had to be a solution. I have installed it and it works. My
only
> concern now is it was written for Max4 and repaces some dlls. It did not
> backup all the dlls it claims to back up and will this cause me grief
later
> down the line as I am on Max 5.1.
>
> Maybe Autodesk can throw in its 2 cents here
>
> Thanks again
>
> Colin
>
>
>
> "Ryan Small" wrote in message
> news:0E260E41C6A87B4E869AC5FC62F23A51@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > As you mentioned, the Design Extension gives you the file-link
capability
> > but to subscription customers only.
> >
> > Alternatively, if you have both Autodesk VIZ 4 and 3ds MAX 5 installed
on
> > the same machine you can use the "VizCopyTool" utility to get some of
the
> > functionality of VIZ into MAX (including DWG FileLinking) and it is free
> > (this utility was a precursor to the Design Extension).
> >
> > Download the utility for MAX5 here:
> > ftp://ftp1.discreet.com/web/support/3dstudio/vizcopytool5.exe
> >
> > Readme: ftp://ftp1.discreet.com/web/support/3dstudio/vizcopytool.htm
> >
> > Installation guide:
> > http://discussion.discreet.com/3dsmax/Doc_Source/vizcopytoolinstall.htm
> >
> > When you read the documentation, it will refer to using Max 4.2/4.3 -
> ignore
> > this. This documentation was written before MAX5 and never got updated.
> >
> > -Ryan
> >
> >
> > --
> > ----------
> > Ryan Small
> > Solid Caddgroup Inc.
> > Authorized Autodesk Systems Center
> > Burlington, Ontario, Canada
> > Ph:905-331-9670 Fx:905-331-7280
> > http://www.solidcadcam.com
> > ryan@solidcadcam.com
> >
> >
> > "Colin Mclean" wrote in message
> > news:C03C24C4031254A7CB1E139C6E51E003@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > This ones a real cracker.
> > >
> > > I natively model with Inv Series 6, and can easily get my INV models
> into
> > > 3dsmax and VIZ via the INV importers. I also use Autodesk MDT6/ADT3.3
> for
> > > certain clients who deliver their models using these apps. Now heres
the
> > > catch.
> > >
> > > I am using all the Autodesk flagship apps so I am now within one
> companies
> > > boundries.
> > > I cannot for the love of money get MDT/ADT models into Max with out
> > loosing
> > > data.
> > > This is because these apps use the arx programs and the native DWG
> > importers
> > > into MAX/VIZ do not support this. However the DWG File link manager
> within
> > > ViZ does support arx, and creates what is called VizBlocks in side
Viz.
> I
> > > prefer to use Max as it supports spacewarps, particles, Video post and
> has
> > > much better animation controllers than Viz, as Viz is somewhat
stripped
> > > down.
> > >
> > > The problem is to get an MDT/ADT model into Max. I have to use Viz.
> first
> > > via the DWG File link manager. Then I need to export out of VIZ in Dwg
> > > format a new DWG (NOTE Not a Max file) as this collapses the arx app
> data
> > > chunks and converts the VizBlocks to regular DWG layers.
> > >
> > > Now I can import this 2nd gen dwg into Max. All this data translating
> > seams
> > > riduclas.
> > >
> > > Autodesk have for Max what is called the design Extensions and only
> > > available to Max subscription users. These exts allow Max to do what
Viz
> > can
> > > Do.
> > >
> > > I dont have this subscription as it works the same as the INV
> subscription
> > > and the Max life cycle is 18 months on average which means another 12
> > months
> > > to go, before upgrading and getting the subscription.
> > >
> > > Does anyone have a better way to do this, or is there another utility
> out
> > > there. I have been in contact with the Autodesk ABC and I am still
> > waiting.
> > > Any help now will be appreciated.
> > >
> > > Sorry if this post is not directly INV related but the problems I am
> > having
> > > seem to be a mixed bag betwwen apps. I know we have talented
technical
> > > ideas out there in this forum and MDT is part of the INV Series.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance
> > >
> > > Colin
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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Anonymous
Not applicable
‎02-19-2003 02:24 AM
Yep Just what I thought

Max 51 crashes when using Filelink manager. Now I cannot restore my system
as the back up files were not created with the Utilty, so I guess I am back
to square 1. I have to uninstall and reinstall Max 5

Thanks for the help Ryan. I am much obliged. I can only hope someone at
Autodesk is monitoring this.

Colin



"Colin Mclean" wrote in message
news:317FD85C5E8C9360FD98D913E864C0EB@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Correction.. it is also for Max 5. I hope it does not cause 5.1 too many
> problems.
> Forgive me complaining here, but this is frustrating.
>
> The exts should readily be availble for Max users, as we paid double the
> price of Viz, and we should not be muscled by Autodesk because they are
> trying to get more from us. What would have been the case, if i did not
also
> own Viz . Autodesk would be sitting pretty with my $3g and I would be
> sitting with a problem, while there was a solution readily available. I
> thinks its rediculas I have to own 2 products to do 1 job. I had my
> Discreet And Autodesk dealers standing on their heads with this one
trying,
> to get over the bureaucrats at Autodesk.
>
> Anyway for now I have a solution. Thanks again
>
> Colin
>
>
>
>
> "Colin Mclean" wrote in message
> news:2A5FC7C439E6C31BA71C1BC5DC5AD1A8@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Thanks Ryan
> >
> > I knew there had to be a solution. I have installed it and it works. My
> only
> > concern now is it was written for Max4 and repaces some dlls. It did not
> > backup all the dlls it claims to back up and will this cause me grief
> later
> > down the line as I am on Max 5.1.
> >
> > Maybe Autodesk can throw in its 2 cents here
> >
> > Thanks again
> >
> > Colin
> >
> >
> >
> > "Ryan Small" wrote in message
> > news:0E260E41C6A87B4E869AC5FC62F23A51@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > As you mentioned, the Design Extension gives you the file-link
> capability
> > > but to subscription customers only.
> > >
> > > Alternatively, if you have both Autodesk VIZ 4 and 3ds MAX 5 installed
> on
> > > the same machine you can use the "VizCopyTool" utility to get some of
> the
> > > functionality of VIZ into MAX (including DWG FileLinking) and it is
free
> > > (this utility was a precursor to the Design Extension).
> > >
> > > Download the utility for MAX5 here:
> > > ftp://ftp1.discreet.com/web/support/3dstudio/vizcopytool5.exe
> > >
> > > Readme: ftp://ftp1.discreet.com/web/support/3dstudio/vizcopytool.htm
> > >
> > > Installation guide:
> > >
http://discussion.discreet.com/3dsmax/Doc_Source/vizcopytoolinstall.htm
> > >
> > > When you read the documentation, it will refer to using Max 4.2/4.3 -
> > ignore
> > > this. This documentation was written before MAX5 and never got
updated.
> > >
> > > -Ryan
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > ----------
> > > Ryan Small
> > > Solid Caddgroup Inc.
> > > Authorized Autodesk Systems Center
> > > Burlington, Ontario, Canada
> > > Ph:905-331-9670 Fx:905-331-7280
> > > http://www.solidcadcam.com
> > > ryan@solidcadcam.com
> > >
> > >
> > > "Colin Mclean" wrote in message
> > > news:C03C24C4031254A7CB1E139C6E51E003@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > This ones a real cracker.
> > > >
> > > > I natively model with Inv Series 6, and can easily get my INV models
> > into
> > > > 3dsmax and VIZ via the INV importers. I also use Autodesk
MDT6/ADT3.3
> > for
> > > > certain clients who deliver their models using these apps. Now heres
> the
> > > > catch.
> > > >
> > > > I am using all the Autodesk flagship apps so I am now within one
> > companies
> > > > boundries.
> > > > I cannot for the love of money get MDT/ADT models into Max with out
> > > loosing
> > > > data.
> > > > This is because these apps use the arx programs and the native DWG
> > > importers
> > > > into MAX/VIZ do not support this. However the DWG File link manager
> > within
> > > > ViZ does support arx, and creates what is called VizBlocks in side
> Viz.
> > I
> > > > prefer to use Max as it supports spacewarps, particles, Video post
and
> > has
> > > > much better animation controllers than Viz, as Viz is somewhat
> stripped
> > > > down.
> > > >
> > > > The problem is to get an MDT/ADT model into Max. I have to use Viz.
> > first
> > > > via the DWG File link manager. Then I need to export out of VIZ in
Dwg
> > > > format a new DWG (NOTE Not a Max file) as this collapses the arx app
> > data
> > > > chunks and converts the VizBlocks to regular DWG layers.
> > > >
> > > > Now I can import this 2nd gen dwg into Max. All this data
translating
> > > seams
> > > > riduclas.
> > > >
> > > > Autodesk have for Max what is called the design Extensions and only
> > > > available to Max subscription users. These exts allow Max to do what
> Viz
> > > can
> > > > Do.
> > > >
> > > > I dont have this subscription as it works the same as the INV
> > subscription
> > > > and the Max life cycle is 18 months on average which means another
12
> > > months
> > > > to go, before upgrading and getting the subscription.
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone have a better way to do this, or is there another
utility
> > out
> > > > there. I have been in contact with the Autodesk ABC and I am still
> > > waiting.
> > > > Any help now will be appreciated.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry if this post is not directly INV related but the problems I am
> > > having
> > > > seem to be a mixed bag betwwen apps. I know we have talented
> technical
> > > > ideas out there in this forum and MDT is part of the INV Series.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance
> > > >
> > > > Colin
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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