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Hi guys,
We have had to do some testing on a bunch of Inventor PC's recently to determine which of the PC's needs to be replaced. Obviously we needed to find out which of the PC's are the worst eprformers as there was only budget to replace 50% of the design PC's. So we thought the Darwin theory will come in handy right... 🙂
Anyways I started searching on the net for toppics on how to benchmark an Inventor PC. Then I thought whats the point of using gaming benchmark tools because Inventor is not a game and there are more aspects than just graphics performance when it comes to percieved performance on an Inventor PC right.
So we decided to create our own Inventor benchmark tool which tests various aspects of an Inventor PC to give us an overview of our PC's performance. This then helped us make a decision as to whcih pc's to replace.
We have made the tool available free of charge to anyone interested in checking how their PC stacks up to their peers or friends. 🙂
Please download it here and post your results here as well if you want. Would be interesting to see what beast workstations are out there.
I would like to say thanks to Kirk #karthur1, for helping in testing the app.
Please feel free to send any suggestions our way. There is an email link in the app.
The application will work with Inventor 2014 to 2016 only.
IMPORTANT: After installation there will be an Inventor Bench icon on your desktop that looks like this:
My resluts:
HP Elitebook 8560w with an SSD upgrade.
Thought I'd create a better mock-up of the choked thermal design, it deserved something a little more tidy. I've honestly never seen anything like this before.
Hey @buck_BIMBOX , if you stand by your claim that this is 'fastest production PC ever built' - send one over, I'll thoroughly objectively test and review it on the YouTube channel in front of tens of thousands of your target market... if it's as good as you say it is, then credit where credit is due.
I'm building a new Workstation for our design engineer. While researching the hardware requirements of Inventor, I learned that Inventor would not benefit from high amount of CPU core most of the time and it requires high freq. CPU. So I decided to overclock an I5 5900k to 5GHz and while researching for overclock I learned that some of the programs would highly benefit from RAM freq. also. So I started wondering if Inventor also would benefit from high RAM freq, and how much it would.
So I did a test on my personal Gaming Rig 😂
Build is: Ryzen 1600X, water-cooling, NVIDIA GTX1060 6GB, DDR4 16GB Corsair CMU16GX4M2C3000C15@ 3000,
256 GB M2SSD, 1TB HDD
and test covers: OC @ 4GHz and RAM @ 3000, OC @ 4GHz only, RAM @ 3000 only, Stock and RAM @ 2133
This table, you can see that even your CPU is not overclocked you can gain advantage from highspeed RAM
Here you can see how much OC would improve performance
And here you can see how much OC and RAM update would improve performance
Question: This next build that I'm working on will be only used for engineering design on Inventor and no render or anything else. Poorly 5.000-50.000 part machine design. They want to have fast orbiting and zoom in zoom outs while designing. This is what they are telling me. But they probably what to have fast 3D to 2D drawing. (last test on Benchmark)
My initial build was like this:
- i5 9600K @ 5GHz
- Noctua U14S
- MSI Z390-A PRO
- Corsair Vengeance LPX 2x16GB @ 2400MHz CMK16GX4M1A2400C16
- Radeon RX 580 8GB
- Adata M2 SSD
- WD Blue 1TB x2 (1 for backup)
- COUGAR 650w 80+ Gold
- Corsair 270R(+3 more fans)
I dont have any price limitations but might a challenge to build this PC much cheaper and faster then DELL i7 8850H 4.3 GHz Workstation Laptop. 😅😃
It's clear from previous posts on this topic and also from my tests that RAM speed is very important. But fast does it have to be? I want to buy the optimum one.
Also as I said, money is not a huge issue. And also I think DELL should have cost around 2100$ and this build costs only 900$ so I got another 1000 to spend to beat that i7 @4.3 GHz. I'm open to any suggestions since you guys are very experienced on Inventor Workstations.
How many times did you run those tests? I think you might have freak data there.
In your RAM tests, all the test times where pretty much exactly the same from test to test within margin of error, but the first modeling test had a 2 second gain which skewed the final test score. I personally don't look at that data and conclude that RAM speeds made any kind of difference, I see a freak test run of 5.98 or a slow test of 7.22 which was the difference between them. If you ran both tests on a 10 cycle loop I would suspect both would be around the same, sure maybe the higher frequency RAM might be slightly faster but it's fractions of a second per test which isn't conclusive of anything.
Unfortunately this is one of the issues with this iteration of the bench test, minor fluctuations in test runs can have a big impact on a small IPI number. And this isn't a fault of the test but Inventor is so unreliable to test, run to run variation is so big that it fogs over any gains you might get from some minor hardware upgrades. i.e. you might see a 0.75s variation from test to test when doing the modeling test, just because Inventor is so sensitive to core load. But then a RAM frequency bump might genuinely only yield a 0.5s gain in that test... but how would you know if the test fluctuates by 0.75s already?
We're both (me and Pieter who made this test) working on a new benchmark test (each working on a different new one) to fix these issues, but for now this is what we have and it's been pretty **** good so far but hardware has kinda come on so far that it's pushed it to the limit.
To be clear though, there's still a possibility that RAM speeds will have a positive impact on Inventor in some use cases, but it's unlikely that InventorBench would detect that as it's almost entirely compute based. I'm no computer scientist or silicon/cpu engineer but I can't see how RAM speeds would have any influence over the CPU computing a single task once it's been queued then begun.
Regarding your build, I've done a lot of work on that already. It's all documented here Autodesk University Las Vegas Downloads
Here is a benchmark from an HP Z2 G4.
It only has the onboard graphics due to it is used as a jobserver (BOM-jobs etc).
@buck_BIMBOX You'd have to reverse them/turn them all upside down to do that, it's standard on every fan ever made that the back of the fan is exhaust. The top of the fan in your image is pointing up into the case which 100% means the flow of air is exhausting out the case. Unless that's just a reference picture and you build them differently to that...
edit - and agree yes Noctua fans are generally highly regarded as being some of the best on the market, but when arranged like that they won't do a better job of cooling anything than any other fan at any price point.
@buck_BIMBOX wrote:
It's a reference picture taken by our chassis manufacturer. The airflow is
steady up and out the back.
It looks like my diagram was pretty accurate though based off every picture and video in existence showing the inside of the real product?
I usually run a Thinkpad P52 (Quadro P3200) and looking for a lighter-weight (under 3 lbs), less bulky option for being mobile and leaving the P52 at my desk. I was concerned with the graphics cards until I ran a comparison of the Quadro vs the Intel UHD630, both are installed in laptop.
Yes the Quadro is faster, but for what I do, but I didn't perceive much difference running the Intel. Assemblies are usually well under 500 parts. So that said, I was hoping to compare the P52 + Intel 630 (5.4 lbs) to a Surface Laptop 3 (2.84 lbs) or even Surface Pro 7 (1.74 lbs). Both these have Intel Iris Plus graphics.
Does anyone know how these machines fare with Inventor Bench?
Ok, things start to roll here.
I have to give them a list of the specs i want.
Then they will look if it fits in the investment plan and order a new pc.
I think it needs to be a HP computer.
But i will give a list of the workstation slayer pc.
Are there components you would suggest upgrading on your workstation slayer pc?
Like a ryzen 7 or something else to make it future proof (3-4 jears at least)
My current computer is a HP Z420 from 2012
Thanks
Br,
Frank
That's an absolutely awful spec, that Xeon W2125 is already 3 years old. Nobody should be buying 4 core CPUs anymore either. Do not buy that.
Go for a HP Z2 G4 rather than a Z4 G4, and ask for the Xeon E-2288G CPU.
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