Graphics card comparison for Inventor

Graphics card comparison for Inventor

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Graphics card comparison for Inventor

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HI! 

 

I need to get some advise about a graphic card that I have buy for a new pc. I will run Autocad Mechanical & Inventor 2015 and eventually 2016.

 

Some people are telling me to buy a Nvidia GTX 980  or TITAN X instead of the Quadro series because it's more efficient and it's almost half the price of a Quadro.

 

I checked a benchmark comparison on the net (http://gpu.userbenchmark.com) and I compared the Quadro K4200 with Gforce GTX 980. The result was stunning. It look like the Gforce is way much faster than the Quadro and also more efficient.

 

So, is it because the Quadro is more stable than a Gforce?

Using the Gforce with Inventor will make me loosing performance or getting more of it?

What should I know about using the Nvidia GTX with Inventor and why Autodesk certified only the Quadro series. 

 

Regards,

 

Franky

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The difference is in view-port wire-frame rendering and double-sided polygon rendering, which is very common in professional CAD/3D software but not in games.

The difference is almost 10x-13x faster in single-fixed rendering pipeline (now very obsolete but some CAD software using it) rendering double sided polygons and wireframes:

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Thats how entry level Quadro beats high-end GeForce. At least in the single-fixed pipeline using legacy calls like glLightModel(GL_LIGHT_MODEL_TWO_SIDE, GL_TRUE). The trick is done with driver optimization (does not matter if its single-fixed pipeline Direct3D or OpenGL). And its true that on some GeForce cards some firmware/hardware hacking can unlock the features.

If double sided is implemented using shader code, the GeForce has to render the polygon twice giving the Quadro only 2x the speed difference (it's less in real-world). The wireframe rendering remains much much slower on GeForce even if implemented in a modern way.

Todays GeForce cards can render millions of polygons per second, drawing lines with faded polygons can result in 100x speed difference eliminating the Quadro benefit.

Quadro equivalent GTX cards have usually better clock speeds giving 2%-10% better performance in games.


So to sum up:

The Quadro rules the single-fixed legacy now obsolete rendering pipeline (which CAD uses), but by implementing modern rendering methods this can be significantly reduced (virtually no speed gain in Maya's Viewport 2.0, it uses GLSL effects - very similar to game engine).

Other reasons to get Quadro are double precision float computations for science, better warranty and display's support for professionals.

That's about it, price-vise the Quadros or FirePros are artificially overpriced.

 

At the end of the day, Autodesk recommends the Quadro's because of $$. 

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dgorsman
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It's not like AutoDesk gets kick-backs from video card manufacturers or the big-box suppliers, so price is mostly irrelevant in their certification process.  One of the factors in certifying video cards is the work involved - OpenGL cards are a much smaller market.  The gaming market has orders of magnitude more brands and models, each with driver versions that are released so frequently that they can very well be out of manufacture/out of date by the time testing gets around to them.

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karthur1
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The Quadro vs. GeForce debate has been going on forever on this forum.  I think that the reason for so much confusion is that the information that people find is misleading or outdated.

 

For instance, if you were interested in Inventor and you were looking at the system requirements you would see that for the graphics, they recommend "Microsoft® Direct3D 11® or capable graphics card or higher". There are numerous gaming cards that fit this bill. So, if you stop there you are set, but notice there is a little superscript there that refers you to the "Autodesk's Certified Hardware" page.

 

When you go to this page and try to find the card recommended for Inventor, it will list only Quadro series cards.  Inventor actually moved away from openGL cards about 2006ish. 

 

You can read about graphics cards on this forum until your eyes bleed.  Just search it.  But, I think the general consensus is to spend the money that you save on buying the gaming card and put it into a good solid state HD.  As long as your card is Directx10 or 11, you should be fine.  1GB cards are pretty affordable also.  So spring for either 1GB or 2GB card.   I have been using a GeForce GTS 250 for several years for Inventor and they work fine for me.

 

Kirk