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Creating extrusion on a revolve. very frustrating issue

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Creating extrusion on a revolve. very frustrating issue

Anonymous
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Hi there. 

 

Im getting a very annoying issue with inventor hsm pro 2016 when trying to create a second extrude onto a revolved object, And i also get the same issue if i sink the object into another part and  cut scultp the revolved object and attempt to extrude around the sculpt cut. Please see images.

 

Here is the revolved object: As you can see it already contains a single extruded cut that creates the flats. No problems there.

 

 

And here is the same object if i add an extrusion to one of the flats. 

 

 

As you can see the revolve doesnt completely fall apart, instead it seems to add geometry.

 

Even more odd is when doing the same in reverse where the object is sculpted and extruding on the cut hole. The sculpt works fine but as soon as an extruded cut is created over the same sculpted cut the added spherical geometry pictured above is no longer removed with the screwdriver during the sculpt, it is manifested as a solid within the sculpted cut. This is even with the original object supressed.

 

 

Is there a known issue mixing revolved objects with extrusions? Anyone know how i can avoid this? 

 

Thanks

 

Jon.

 

 

 

 

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SBix26
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I'm not able to see any of your images for some reason.  Can you attach your file here?

Sam B

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Anonymous
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Odd. Sure. I have also attached an image of the added geometry selected to show its not a gpu issue. Thank you!

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Anonymous
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Image of the un expected surface selected. 

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SBix26
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A couple of housekeeping things:

 

1. Bit maps (.bmp) files are enormous compared to .jpg or .png files-- please consider smaller formats for screenshots

2. The reason I can't see the images in your first message is because they're on a site that is not accessible to me from work.  File-sharing sites can be dangerous to some enterprises, so are blocked; insert or attach files directly instead.

 

Now for your issue: I don't think any of us will be able to diagnose the problem without the actual Inventor file.  It might be a graphics problem, or it might be an Inventor problem, or it might be a modeling technique problem.  Can't say without the actual file.  Can you post it here?

Sam B

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Anonymous
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Just to clarify, the images of the sculpt is the screwdriver sculpted without the troublesome extrude that effects the positive object. The issue arises when creating a cut extrude to the same effect in the stock.

 

Thanks

 

Jon.

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Anonymous
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Thanks for the tip.

 

Here are the files.

 

Thank you.

 

 

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Anonymous
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and you will need this one.

 

 

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Anonymous
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Ah okay. sorry if im going to beat you to the post here. Found the issue. Please feel free to confirm as this issue really shouldnt exist IMO.

 

The sketch for the revolve of the screwdriver contained a fillet or part circle, Removing the fillet and replacing with an arc has solved the problem.

 

So this is an inventor issue by the looks of it.

 

Can the solution really be, If you intend on extruding onto or into a revolve do not use fillets within the revolve sketch. :s 

 

Thanks for looking into it for me sam. 

 

 

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JDMather
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@Anonymous wrote:

 

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So this is an inventor issue by the looks of it.... 

 


From the looks of it to me - this is an operator training issue.  The part is (very) poorly modeled right from the first step.  And the techniques use would be poor modeling in virtually and CAD program.


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SBix26
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Hmmm... where to start...  I see the same strange spherical artifact, which shouldn't be there whether you use an arc or a fillet.  So, as you point out, that's an Inventor issue.

 

But I see lots of modeling issues as well.  In your Flathead.ipt file, almost nothing is constrained.  I would strongly recommend that you first orient the image you're working with to the origin of the part, and get everything constrained properly.

 

I would definitely not use adaptivity to create your pocket.  Instead, derive the screwdriver into the holder part (perhaps just as surfaces) and use it as a guide.

 

JD will have more specfic guidance, I'm sure.  I'd like to take a crack at it, myself, but I've got work to do!

Sam B

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mcgyvr
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flathead.ipt has problems with sketch/extrusion 3

I see pink geometry that needs to be fixed..

Its causing problems rebuilding the part properly..

Hence anything after that can get "wonky" Smiley Very Happy

Correct that then proceed and see if the issue clears up..

 

And and just about all your sketches are not fully constrained..

Don't exit a sketch until it says "fully constrained" in the bottom right corner..

 

And I'd suggest turning on "Autoproject part origin on sketch create" from tools..application options..sketch tab and center all first sketches on the origin point..

These last 2 things are considered "good form" and unconstrained sketches,etc.. can cause problems further down the road..

 

dang.. JD and Sam beat me to the punch.. JD's punch was a bit harder though.. Smiley Very Happy

 

 

 



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Okay sam. its a very simple example of a revolve. the revolve sketch is very simple. I could spend time adding dimensional values and constraints to the revolve but for this exercise it shouldnt be required and as you state it wasnt the source of the issue. 

 

Just another dodgy qwerk to inventor. 

 

 

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JDMather
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@Anonymous wrote:

Okay sam. its a very simple example of a revolve. the revolve sketch is very simple. I could spend time adding dimensional values and constraints to the revolve but for this exercise it shouldnt be required

 


In my experience, having trained hundreds (perhaps thousands) of users in several different CAD programs - if this mindset is not broken very early on - you will never become very good.  The logic of everything you have done does not make sense.  

 

Take these comments as a reflection of more than 20 yrs teaching beginners and then watching how the progress into the working world (and yes, I spent 15 yrs in the real world too).

 

There is more missing than just the dimensions.


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Anonymous
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@Anonymous wrote:

Okay sam. its a very simple example of a revolve. the revolve sketch is very simple. I could spend time adding dimensional values and constraints to the revolve but for this exercise it shouldnt be required. 

 


And yet, obviously, it is.  Here you have a part with some issues, and the others here have pointed out a very likely cause.  It woul really behoove you to follow their advice.  Do everything they say, and I am confident your part will be perfect.

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Anonymous
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The part agreed has some issues. The problem however was none of these. You can fully constain the sketch and correct the issues with the extrude as i have just done with the original fillet. Problem still exists. 

 

I appreciate that having errors is not good pratice and can and does lead to errors. In this case it makes no odds to the actual issue here for me.

 

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Anonymous
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Here are the files with fully constrained sketches and features without errors. same problem. 

 

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@Anonymous wrote:

Here are the files with fully constrained sketches and features without errors. same problem. 

 


Nope.. Its fixed now..

Your files were still referencing the old files..

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This is a PERFECT example of why following recommended modeling practices is important (fully constraining sketches.. centering about the origin, attacking ALL/ANY errors no matter how small,etc..)

 

It does matter and does cause problems even though you may think it has nothing to do with the portion you are working on.. 

 



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We use VK to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by VK. Ads are based on both VK data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that VK has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to VK to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. VK Privacy Policy
Adobe Target
We use Adobe Target to test new features on our sites and customize your experience of these features. To do this, we collect behavioral data while you’re on our sites. This data may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, your IP address or device ID, your Autodesk ID, and others. You may experience a different version of our sites based on feature testing, or view personalized content based on your visitor attributes. Adobe Target Privacy Policy
Google Analytics (Advertising)
We use Google Analytics (Advertising) to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Google Analytics (Advertising). Ads are based on both Google Analytics (Advertising) data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Google Analytics (Advertising) has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Google Analytics (Advertising) to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Google Analytics (Advertising) Privacy Policy
Trendkite
We use Trendkite to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Trendkite. Ads are based on both Trendkite data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Trendkite has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Trendkite to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Trendkite Privacy Policy
Hotjar
We use Hotjar to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Hotjar. Ads are based on both Hotjar data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Hotjar has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Hotjar to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Hotjar Privacy Policy
6 Sense
We use 6 Sense to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by 6 Sense. Ads are based on both 6 Sense data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that 6 Sense has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to 6 Sense to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. 6 Sense Privacy Policy
Terminus
We use Terminus to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Terminus. Ads are based on both Terminus data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Terminus has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Terminus to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Terminus Privacy Policy
StackAdapt
We use StackAdapt to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by StackAdapt. Ads are based on both StackAdapt data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that StackAdapt has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to StackAdapt to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. StackAdapt Privacy Policy
The Trade Desk
We use The Trade Desk to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by The Trade Desk. Ads are based on both The Trade Desk data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that The Trade Desk has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to The Trade Desk to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. The Trade Desk Privacy Policy
RollWorks
We use RollWorks to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by RollWorks. Ads are based on both RollWorks data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that RollWorks has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to RollWorks to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. RollWorks Privacy Policy

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