Auto-expand browser.... @#$%

Anonymous · ‎06-03-2003

Looking for some support on removing the auto-expand feature in the browser when the mouse is over the icon. Since IV selects the way it does, i live with my mouse over the browser (for the most part) - this means that the freakin parts in the browser are opening all over the place and when i go to click on the part i want, its off the freakin screen now!!!!
Does anyone use this feature or can Adesk remove it and fill it with something a bit more usefull.. perhaps scrolling capabilities while over the browser??? No... that would make too much sense.

Anonymous · ‎06-03-2003

I do use this one and a while. However I
never keep my pointer over the icon, only the file name. Then I never get
unwanted expanding of parts, only when I want them

Anonymous · ‎06-03-2003

I'm assuming this is an XPism. Would HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft \Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced Change the value of "FriendlyTree" to 0 fix the problem?

Anonymous · ‎06-03-2003

I'm not sure if that would fix the problem, but it's not an XPism. It's an
IVism. A new "feature"

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Dave Jacquemotte
Automation Designer

Anonymous · ‎06-03-2003

I dont purposely hold my mouse over the icon but it ends up there anyways!! Useless, useless, useless - if i want to see whats in there - i will click on the + .

Anonymous · ‎06-03-2003

Personally, I waste many more clicks closing those buggers than I ever did
opening them. I try to keep the cursor off the icon, but it still seems to
end up there often enough to make more unwanted expansions.

Ed R

"Jayman" wrote in message
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I dont purposely hold my mouse over the icon but it ends up there anyways!!
Useless, useless, useless - if i want to see whats in there - i will click
on the + .

Anonymous · ‎06-03-2003

I'd be happy to see it go away!

style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">........Does
anyone use this feature or can Adesk remove it and fill it with something a
bit more usefull.. perhaps scrolling capabilities while over the browser???
No... that would make too much sense.

Anonymous · ‎06-03-2003

Ah ... I can see it in the next version of iTweak now! Sean! hey Sean ...
see this?
~Larry

"rllthomas" wrote in message
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> I'm assuming this is an XPism. Would HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft
\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced Change the value of "FriendlyTree"
to 0 fix the problem?

Anonymous · ‎06-03-2003

Yeah, yeah, I saw it, just didn't try it yet. Is that they correct key?

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"Larry Caldwell" wrote in message
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> Ah ... I can see it in the next version of iTweak now! Sean! hey Sean ...
> see this?
> ~Larry
>
> "rllthomas" wrote in message
> news:f16a045.1@WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > I'm assuming this is an XPism. Would
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft
> \Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced Change the value of
"FriendlyTree"
> to 0 fix the problem?
>
>

Anonymous · ‎06-03-2003

I would be happy to see it go away and also the have the automatic
horizontal scroll go with it. Like others, I spend more time
contracting the browser than I do expanding it.

Roger Harvey wrote:

> I'd be happy to see it go away!
>
> ........Does anyone use this feature or can Adesk remove it and
> fill it with something a bit more usefull.. perhaps scrolling
> capabilities while over the browser??? No... that would make too
> much sense.
>

Anonymous · ‎06-03-2003

> "Jayman" <
href="mailto:jlickver@lineartransfer.com">jlickver@lineartransfer.com>
wrote in message

> Looking for some support on removing the auto-expand feature

I wish I had a nickel for every complaint I've
heard about he last time I took something out 😉

MicroSoft never did the auto-expand thing - but
then it showed up and we all thought it'd be cool, so it got added. I checked
this afternoon to see if we made the delay variable or accessible (or tied it to
a registry setting).

We didn't.

Its hard coded.

I suspect that the easiest thing to do would be to
make the pause value a variable and then expose the variable on one of the
options tabs - then you could just turn it off.

I'm not saying this is on anybody's list of things
to do.

I do know that there are still quite a few
organizational things that we'd like to do to the browsers. User-defined browser
folders is at the top of my list of favorites.

I would also REALLY like the ability to split the
browser in half (like Word does) to the top of the browser could be looking at
one place and the bottom could be someplace else. This would be helpful in cases
where you do a FIND OTHER HALF and the other half is halfway across the
galaxy.

Exporting the browser as text comes to
mind...

...as does a browser ZOOM function. I could imagine
a browser that might allow me to "zoom out" so that initially the text got
smaller (say decrementing my point size or something) until "leaf node" parts
"disappeared" and you were left looking a subassemblies, etc... Sort of a "level
of detail" behavior for the browser.

One of the projects being looked at is targeting
increased performance via evaluation of "levels of detail" of the parts of the
assembly. I suspect that as this project moves forward (along with others in the
planning stages) there will be browser changes.

When those happen - it would be good to have some
sort of "concensus" on the auto-expand pause thing.

G

Anonymous · ‎06-03-2003

Cool idea ... like a map, I guess: roll the mouse wheel forward (away from
you) you only see top-level browser entries, hover over an entry, roll the
mouse wheel back, you see top & lower-level entries; something like that.

Variable would probably win any consensus, but too long a RMB/context menu
comes to mind. I think it would be cool to have a RMB/context dialog box
(App/Ops) to set stuff the way you want it to work, making it easier to
change (like project sketch geometry/don't project it that I go to App/Ops
for often). But then, I guess there's still the question of the missing
dialog box guy, eh.
~Larry

"Gary R Smith (Autodesk)" wrote in message
news:EA4839165CFC66F8D79632C17BD6BF83@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > "Jayman" wrote in message
> > Looking for some support on removing the auto-expand feature
>
> I wish I had a nickel for every complaint I've heard about he last time I
took something out 😉
>
> MicroSoft never did the auto-expand thing - but then it showed up and we
all thought it'd be cool, so it got added. I checked this afternoon to see
if we made the delay variable or accessible (or tied it to a registry
setting).
>
> We didn't.
>
> Its hard coded.
>
> I suspect that the easiest thing to do would be to make the pause value a
variable and then expose the variable on one of the options tabs - then you
could just turn it off.
>
> I'm not saying this is on anybody's list of things to do.
>
> I do know that there are still quite a few organizational things that we'd
like to do to the browsers. User-defined browser folders is at the top of my
list of favorites.
>
> I would also REALLY like the ability to split the browser in half (like
Word does) to the top of the browser could be looking at one place and the
bottom could be someplace else. This would be helpful in cases where you do
a FIND OTHER HALF and the other half is halfway across the galaxy.
>
> Exporting the browser as text comes to mind...
>
> ...as does a browser ZOOM function. I could imagine a browser that might
allow me to "zoom out" so that initially the text got smaller (say
decrementing my point size or something) until "leaf node" parts
"disappeared" and you were left looking a subassemblies, etc... Sort of a
"level of detail" behavior for the browser.
>
> One of the projects being looked at is targeting increased performance via
evaluation of "levels of detail" of the parts of the assembly. I suspect
that as this project moves forward (along with others in the planning
stages) there will be browser changes.
>
> When those happen - it would be good to have some sort of "concensus" on
the auto-expand pause thing.
>
> G

Anonymous · ‎06-03-2003

Some good ideas Gary. I like the zoom one 8^)

IMO if there is any doubt give us a way to adjust a setting. I would much
rather have to spend a little time up front getting all my settings set the
way I want them, than have behavior hard coded. I like options, they allow
me to work the way I like to work, not the way someone else things we should
work.

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Assistant Moderator
Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program

"Gary R Smith (Autodesk)" wrote in message

> ...as does a browser ZOOM function. I could imagine a browser that might
allow me to "zoom out" so that initially the text got smaller (say
decrementing my point size or something) until "leaf node" parts
"disappeared" and you were left looking a subassemblies, etc... Sort of a
"level of detail" behavior for the browser.

> When those happen - it would be good to have some sort of "concensus" on
the auto-expand pause thing.
>
> G

Anonymous · ‎06-03-2003

Isn't that the way Inventor was supposed to be, in the beginning. Oh, I'm
sorry, that was Marketing talking.

Matt

Anonymous · ‎06-03-2003

I really like the split idea. So often I want the origin geometry and some
other part at the bottom displayed at the same time.

Unless this means we won't be getting the rearrange back in which case this
would not be an acceptable workaround (IMHO)

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"Gary R Smith (Autodesk)" wrote in message
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> > "Jayman" wrote in message
> > Looking for some support on removing the auto-expand feature
>
> I wish I had a nickel for every complaint I've heard about he last time I
took something out 😉
>
> MicroSoft never did the auto-expand thing - but then it showed up and we
all thought it'd be cool, so it got added. I checked this afternoon to see
if we made the delay variable or accessible (or tied it to a registry
setting).
>
> We didn't.
>
> Its hard coded.
>
> I suspect that the easiest thing to do would be to make the pause value a
variable and then expose the variable on one of the options tabs - then you
could just turn it off.
>
> I'm not saying this is on anybody's list of things to do.
>
> I do know that there are still quite a few organizational things that we'd
like to do to the browsers. User-defined browser folders is at the top of my
list of favorites.
>
> I would also REALLY like the ability to split the browser in half (like
Word does) to the top of the browser could be looking at one place and the
bottom could be someplace else. This would be helpful in cases where you do
a FIND OTHER HALF and the other half is halfway across the galaxy.
>
> Exporting the browser as text comes to mind...
>
> ...as does a browser ZOOM function. I could imagine a browser that might
allow me to "zoom out" so that initially the text got smaller (say
decrementing my point size or something) until "leaf node" parts
"disappeared" and you were left looking a subassemblies, etc... Sort of a
"level of detail" behavior for the browser.
>
> One of the projects being looked at is targeting increased performance via
evaluation of "levels of detail" of the parts of the assembly. I suspect
that as this project moves forward (along with others in the planning
stages) there will be browser changes.
>
> When those happen - it would be good to have some sort of "concensus" on
the auto-expand pause thing.
>
> G

Anonymous · ‎06-03-2003

I concur with you Kent.

One example is the zoom to the mouse location rather than the centre of
the screen. I know I was one of the many users who begged for that and
REALLY and TRULY APPRECIATED that we were listened to. Some users
thought it sucked, complained and thankfully Sean iTweaked the previous
behaviour in for them. We really have to feel for the developers in
cases like this where you just can't satisfy everyone.

The bottom line is we all have preferences (some of them very strong)
and by providing us with options you can satisfy users with opposing
viewpoints.

Richard

Kent Keller wrote:
> Some good ideas Gary. I like the zoom one 8^)
>
> IMO if there is any doubt give us a way to adjust a setting. I would much
> rather have to spend a little time up front getting all my settings set the
> way I want them, than have behavior hard coded. I like options, they allow
> me to work the way I like to work, not the way someone else things we should
> work.
>

Anonymous · ‎06-03-2003

I didn't even notice it was autoexpanding. Is this just a problem for spaceball or other advanced input device users? I use the mouse to pick select grab drag and otherwise manipulate things so it doesn't get parked in the browser.

Anonymous · ‎06-04-2003

Is this an XP thing. I'm on Win2k and I don't
see what the problem is.

Anonymous · ‎06-04-2003

oh I hate that to

Anonymous · ‎06-04-2003

It does it on Win2K also.

Hover over a collapsed part or assembly *icon* in the browser. After a
second or two it will expand.

Personally it never bothered me but I'm all for options.

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"mpower" wrote in message
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> Is this an XP thing. I'm on Win2k and I don't see what the problem is.