关于倒斜角问题!!!

csc3N2V6
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关于倒斜角问题!!!

csc3N2V6
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这里使用的是Inventor2024版本:

如图,这个位置做了15°的拔模,开口边与外轮廓还有2.25的距离,想做C1.5倒角,显示创建倒角特征失败,最大只能做到C1.3,但是同样的情况在sw可以做到C2甚至更大。想知道inventor倒角功能的底层逻辑是什么,因为这个倒角的大小对于产品的功能有一定影响。

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第二种情况,这里是一个垂直的面,图示的边想做C1的倒角,但是同样发现创建失败,只能创建小于等于圆角(R=0.5)的C角,但是实际加工中是可以做出大于C1的倒斜角的,与实际加工不符,不知道是否与建模,或者是Inventor本身的内核计算和底层逻辑有关系?希望各位专家可以帮忙看看。

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csc3N2V6
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sw源文件及inventor源文件均在附件中

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lucas_zhang_82
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 建议先倒角再圆角

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csc3N2V6
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这是先倒斜角再倒圆角的结果😂

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正如 @lucas_zhang_82 建议的,先倒角,然后圆角。

 

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csc3N2V6
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麻烦您看一下第二个倒角类型,第一个倒角类型带斜度,可能不是常规的倒角类型,第二种才是经常会涉及到的。谢谢,同样源文件都在附件中。

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尝试您的建议,先倒角后圆角,并不能满足实际需求。

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@csc3N2V6 wrote:

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尝试您的建议,先倒角后圆角,并不能满足实际需求。



这与拔模角有关。
拔模角设置为0度才可以。
拔模角越大,圆角连接就越不流畅。

我想这可能是 Inventor 的问题。
你也许可以提交一个建议来请求 Inventor 的改进。
或者联系 lynn_zhang 一下。

 

 

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csc3N2V6
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另外一个零件没有拔模角的也有同样问题。

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lucas_zhang_82
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转换一下思路。一定要倒角吗?

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附件版本 2024

lucas_zhang_82
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原模型倒角

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您好!请问您的问题解决了吗?
如果以上专家的回答解决了您的问题,或者对您的问题有参考作用,请将他的回复点击  【接受解答】 按钮。这可以帮助其他人更快地找到解决方案,谢谢您的参与!





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Henry.Huang
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Inventor 无法创建更大的倒角的原因是因为Inventor跟SW处理几何的方式不同。Inventor也能产生这样的结果。从结果上看,SW可能在倒角中也采用的是类似的做法。 

  1. 沿着边缘创建一个恒定半径的圆角(最多3mm)。
  2. 然后删除圆角面。
  3. 使用放样创建“倒角”面。
  4. 最后把它们缝合成一个实体。
 

 




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关于另外一个倒角无法大于0.5的问题。 
如下图, 可以看到在这个地方产生了一个尖点。超过之后就无法生成了。  

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已接受的解答

结合您的实物图,建议采用下面的处理方式。 

  1. 先做倒角。 
  2. 再做圆角。
  3. 圆角部分可以采用不同半径的处理方式。 
 

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一般情况下,圆角放在特征的最后做,先做大圆角,然后是小圆角。 




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最后结果。 

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@csc3N2V6 wrote:

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尝试您的建议,先倒角后圆角,并不能满足实际需求。


@Henry.Huang 

这个问题如何解决?

 

正如我提到的,这看起来与拔模角有关。
拔模角设置为0度才可以。
拔模角越大,圆角连接就越不顺畅。

 

这里有两个例子。
顺畅(拔模角=0度)显示于屏幕截图 01
不顺畅(拔模角=5度)显示于屏幕截图 02

 

在我看来,这是 Inventor 应该提供的一项基本功能,而不是用户编写代码来实现它。
能否将用户的请求转达给 Inventor 开发团队?
谢谢。

 

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看13楼。 

 

 

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BeKirra
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@Henry.Huang wrote:

看13楼。 

 

 

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其实一个倒角的功能应该能满足基本的需要。

换句话说,当拔模角(taper)不等于0的时候也应能够正常建构倒角。

 

我相信,从用户的角度看这不算是太高的要求,用户并不喜欢花更多的时间创建倒角。

 

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INVENTOR的用户就是这样,软件本身存在问题,那我们就绕过问题解决它,而不是解决软件的问题!inventor发展至今很多老问题一直不解决,就是用户惯的!简单的倒角问题,还得用其他的命令绕个圈来实现。
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We use Call Tracking to provide customized phone numbers for our campaigns. This gives you faster access to our agents and helps us more accurately evaluate our performance. We may collect data about your behavior on our sites based on the phone number provided. Call Tracking Privacy Policy
Wunderkind
We use Wunderkind to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Wunderkind. Ads are based on both Wunderkind data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Wunderkind has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Wunderkind to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Wunderkind Privacy Policy
ADC Media
We use ADC Media to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by ADC Media. Ads are based on both ADC Media data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that ADC Media has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to ADC Media to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. ADC Media Privacy Policy
AgrantSEM
We use AgrantSEM to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by AgrantSEM. Ads are based on both AgrantSEM data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that AgrantSEM has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to AgrantSEM to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. AgrantSEM Privacy Policy
Bidtellect
We use Bidtellect to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Bidtellect. Ads are based on both Bidtellect data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Bidtellect has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Bidtellect to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Bidtellect Privacy Policy
Bing
We use Bing to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Bing. Ads are based on both Bing data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Bing has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Bing to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Bing Privacy Policy
G2Crowd
We use G2Crowd to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by G2Crowd. Ads are based on both G2Crowd data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that G2Crowd has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to G2Crowd to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. G2Crowd Privacy Policy
NMPI Display
We use NMPI Display to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by NMPI Display. Ads are based on both NMPI Display data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that NMPI Display has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to NMPI Display to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. NMPI Display Privacy Policy
VK
We use VK to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by VK. Ads are based on both VK data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that VK has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to VK to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. VK Privacy Policy
Adobe Target
We use Adobe Target to test new features on our sites and customize your experience of these features. To do this, we collect behavioral data while you’re on our sites. This data may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, your IP address or device ID, your Autodesk ID, and others. You may experience a different version of our sites based on feature testing, or view personalized content based on your visitor attributes. Adobe Target Privacy Policy
Google Analytics (Advertising)
We use Google Analytics (Advertising) to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Google Analytics (Advertising). Ads are based on both Google Analytics (Advertising) data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Google Analytics (Advertising) has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Google Analytics (Advertising) to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Google Analytics (Advertising) Privacy Policy
Trendkite
We use Trendkite to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Trendkite. Ads are based on both Trendkite data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Trendkite has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Trendkite to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Trendkite Privacy Policy
Hotjar
We use Hotjar to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Hotjar. Ads are based on both Hotjar data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Hotjar has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Hotjar to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Hotjar Privacy Policy
6 Sense
We use 6 Sense to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by 6 Sense. Ads are based on both 6 Sense data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that 6 Sense has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to 6 Sense to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. 6 Sense Privacy Policy
Terminus
We use Terminus to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Terminus. Ads are based on both Terminus data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Terminus has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Terminus to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Terminus Privacy Policy
StackAdapt
We use StackAdapt to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by StackAdapt. Ads are based on both StackAdapt data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that StackAdapt has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to StackAdapt to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. StackAdapt Privacy Policy
The Trade Desk
We use The Trade Desk to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by The Trade Desk. Ads are based on both The Trade Desk data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that The Trade Desk has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to The Trade Desk to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. The Trade Desk Privacy Policy
RollWorks
We use RollWorks to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by RollWorks. Ads are based on both RollWorks data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that RollWorks has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to RollWorks to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. RollWorks Privacy Policy

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