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New Mac Pro Graphics Card Compatibility

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atsuchiy2
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New Mac Pro Graphics Card Compatibility

Hi,

According to the Autodesk website, the recommended Graphic hardware for Alias 2015/2016 product is : Supported NVIDIA® or ATI graphics card with a minimum of 256 MB dedicated texture memory.

A new 15 inch MacBook Pro with Retina display comes with either Intel Iris Graphics 6100 (regular model)  or   Intel Iris Pro Graphics and AMD Radeon R9 M370X with 2GB GDDR5 memory (upgraded model).

Are both models compatible with Autodesk AliasStudio 2016? Or do I need to get the upgraded model with Intel Iris Pro Graphics and AMD Radeon R9 M370X with 2GB GDDR5 memory ? Please let me know. Thank you in advance for your help!

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TerrasJadeonar
in reply to: atsuchiy2

There's a couple things to understand first:

 

I myself have an Asus Windows 8.1 Laptop with an i7-4500U mobile cpu which has the integrated Intel Graphics 4400 GPU video GPU. It's a combination CPU with built in graphics processing, negating the need for a dedicated graphics card. One main caveat is that the video processing has no actual onboard memory but uses the system's shared DDR3 / DDR4 memory instead. Which is fine for desktop browsing, youtube / dvd movie watching. It does have 3d acceleration capabilities like a dedicated nvidia or ati/amd graphics card but without the dedicated onboard memory wich can play certain games fine, and the other game types not so well.

 

Now, in addition to the i7-4500U cpu / Intel 4400 Graphics, my laptop also has a dedicated nvidia 740m graphics card with 2gb onboard dedicated ram, much like a desktop system with a nvidia or ati/amd PCI-e graphics card.

 

The benefit here with the 2gb nvidia card is windows can switch back and forth between either video card solution as per needs and requirement. Generally it uses the intel 4400 graphics for desktop, youtube/dvd uses, and if i fire up a game like Diablo III or even Mechwarrior Online or Star Wars: The Old Republic, I can play those games quite comfortably with a usb 3button mouse attached. Hence the reason why I opted for a laptop with a dedicated graphics card system.

 

Unfortunately I havn't gotten 3ds max running on this laptop yet (had a goof up with forgetting to export the license from main computer first), so I honestly i can't comment whether Alias or 3ds max would make windows use the cpu/gpu or dedicated nvidia card.

 

As per your original question of choosing a laptop with or without a dedicated video card for this exact purpose; I can't  give you a proper yes / no answer regarding Alias (i don't have Alias) or in my case 3ds max. At least I was able to explain a bit of difference between your 2 choices. Software requirements can be quite fickle at times; either it works within a general list type of hardware or else it requires hardware exactly within a specific list.

 

By direct tested example: with this laptop when i'm away from home I can run other software such as Daz3d's Daz Studio, Carrara, and Hexagon perfectly fine, no different than how they run on my desktop with an AMD R9 290X video card, sans the  3x 27" IPS 2560x1440 res panel screens; making due with a 15" TN panel 1366x768 laptop screen instead (with a choice of using HDMI out to any size 1920x1080p res tv screen if/when available).

 

Yet when it comes to Eovia Vue Infinite / xStream edition (using my desktop as actual referance; i tried the PLe editions before settling on buying xSteeam 2015) the 2014 edition did not support or like my AMD R9 290X graphics card and would only use the Software mode dsiplay rendering which was slow to refresh / update while going about working in my scene. BY the same token, the 2015 version of the same Vue xStream PLE , runs quite fine in the Hardware Pipeline Graphics acceleration mode, which makes a huge difference in navigating around in the display ports, especially when theres textured items. Both VUE's also has an optional OpenGL 1.4 Accelerated mode, but I think this only applies to video cards such as AMD FireGL and NVIDIA Quadro profesional line of graphics cards with registered and certified OpenGL drivers. The FireGL and Quadro cards also have certain hardware optimizations geared towards professional programs such as anything offered by AUtodesk.

 

My general rule of thumb is laptops are severely limited in upgradability features (both windows and mac o/s platforms, even though the choice of cpu Intel and AMD is the same between them). What you buy is exactly all you get. Therefore when I buy a laptop, I try to get all that I can on it within a set price point. When possible I do opt for the extra / dual dedicated AMD/nvidia graphics video option just because of the added performance boost if/when a game or application calls for it. Unlike a custom built or value priced off-the-shelf desktop that may come with just the cpu/gpu integrated video that will allow upgrade by adding a dedicated grahics pci-e card; laptops don't have that luxury.

 

It would be nice if couple other people were able to chime in, both that have just the cpu/gpu integrated type laptop and those that have the cpu/gpu + dedicated type laptop.

 

I hope my reply was at least somewhat helpful and informative.

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atsuchiy2
in reply to: TerrasJadeonar

Thank you, Terras for your detailed explanation on video cards. I agree with your general rule of thumb about laptops. I may have to bite the bullet and buy the upgrade version of a Macbook Pro. Thank you again for sharing your knowledge!
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TerrasJadeonar
in reply to: atsuchiy2

Your welcome. I'd also double check on the product page - list of supported hardware if you haven't already (I'm guessing you did). Hence my asking anyone else with similar laptops to chime in if possible.

 

Having just tried to getting 3DS Max running on my laptop with the nvidia 740m , it's not wanting to work, I'm not sure entirely if its due to the intel 4400 or nvidia 740m not being on the hardware list (or something not working with the license transfer). The regular pci-e desktop cards being similar yet slightly different from the "###m" mobile parts.

 

Likewise with my desktop's AMD R9 290X graphics card not being on the supported list for E-on's Vue xStream 2014 PLE, I was stuck using software cpu viewport mode (slow), whereas the 2015 shows the 290X on the supported hardware list (which i bought after trying the 2015 PLE and it works). Yet I've no clue if this year's R9 3xx series would be supported or same situation as I had with Vue 2014.

 

Autodesk "high end" software with definitive supported hardware lists are a new thing to me. While I've been building my own desktops and (hobbyist) render workstations, I've been using affordable consumer software such as Daz3d's Daz Studio Pro (free), Carrara Pro, Hexagon, Bryce, Poser, and the Poser content. These programs which aren't hardware fussy, as long as theres a graphics accelerator based cpu or dedicated video card (gpu), the programs simply work. Albiet, the feature toolset is get what you pay for.

 

I'm wondering, is it absolutely neccessary you need to get a laptop / macbook instead of a desktop model that would have easier interchangable hardware? If your a student and need it with you for class, I totally understand. Otherwise I'd consider a desktop unit and choose a graphics card that is on the current supported hardware list.

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atsuchiy2
in reply to: TerrasJadeonar

Thank you, Terras. Yes, I've checked the Autodesk's supported hardware list before. According to the list, the supported AMD products with MacBook Pro are AMD Radeon HD 6490M, HD6750M and HD 6770M. High end Macbook Pro offers Intel Iris Pro Graphics and AMD Radeon R9 M370X (with 2GB GDDR5 memory). Reading about the difference between HD and R series, it seems that the R series are newer than HD series.....? If so, I wonder if it is safe to assume that R series would work with a Macbook Pro. Again, I appreciate your help.
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ddixon
in reply to: atsuchiy2

I've for a new macbook pro running BOOT Camp 8.1 with the Revit 2016 and I'm having issues with the amd radeon r9 m370x. As soon as I open the template revit model the application does not show all of the ribbon and then the application will stop responding. I'm using up to date Catalyst software and driver for the MAC apple boot camp from AMD website. 

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PropelStudio
in reply to: ddixon

I am having the same exact issue.  Have you found any solutions?  I'm seeing all my other applications are running great, even Revit 2015.  I am hopeful a fix is out there, because this is unacceptable with a top-of-the line machine..

 

Thanks,

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PropelStudio
in reply to: ddixon

ddixon,

 

We have resolved this issue in our office.  The fix is to adjust the Windows 8.1 or 10 display settings to have the scaling be 150% or less.  (Ours was set at 200% for some reason...)  I've attached a screenshot.  I hope this helps you and others with this issue.  

 

Here is the response from Autodesk support:

 

Dear Nick,

Thank you for choosing Autodesk Technical Support. My name is Diethelm. I am an Autodesk Revit specialist on the Technical Support Team, and I will be helping you with your Service Request.

 

I understand that you have a flickering screen and ribbon only in Revit 2016 LT.

Indeed, it seems like a graphics issue.
The AMD Radeon R9 series are mostly intended for gaming. This doesn't necessarily mean it won't have a good performance, but it might lack some crucial components for maximum performance. This can only be known through testing, which has either officially not been done by Autodesk with this card or it has not been certified after testing. Bottom line, it is not certified for use with Revit 2016, which can result in graphic issues. 

But, I see that AMD Radeon R9 M370X is for MAC, so I assume you are using a Virtual Machine, like Parallels, in which case it has to do with the scaling done in Parallels to adjust Windows to the high resolution Retina Screen. By default Parallels will scale the Windows environment to 199%.
The solution to this is to change the configuration in Parallels to ''More Space''. This will allow you to change the scaling percentage in the Windows environment. For best results the scaling needs to be less than 150%. (this also applies to high resolution monitors (even without Parallels), because desktop scaling is somtimes used to make text and other elements in the user interface readable. So, same solution: adjust resolution).


Let me know if we were able to come to a solution!
 

Feel free to contact me if you have any additional questions or concerns regarding this Support Request. If I do not hear from you, I will follow-uptomorrow.

 

Best regards,
-Didi

 

AMD Radeon R9 M370X

Windows 10 64-bit

Macbook Pro w/ Retina (Mid-2015)

2016 Revit, Revit LT

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