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Enable tag and dimension in legend view.

there is something annoying that makes many of my colleagues create a "legend" phase for just for legend purpose.

 

 

For instance, we can tag material and layers on a wall composition , but why couldn't we dimension the overall width or even tag the typeMark of the wall?

 

who use only material tag? 

Comentarios

I have no idea why we can't dimension wall and floor legends for example? we do need to mention that information.

Anonymous

it would be good if these dimensions would change if the type of the same family is changed (useful for flashing schedule sketches) or if the parameter name that drives a dimension could be shown ie leg1, leg2 etc.

True, what would be super cool is if we have the possibility to use Views instead of images with paths in schedules.

Advisor
Advisor

And Tag the Legend Components

That is so needed too for sure! I feel like the dev team almost completely ignored the legends section.

 

 

Advisor
Advisor
Anonymous

Tag Legend Components

Anonymous

 

It is absolutely pathetic that Revit allows us to drop a picture of each wall type into a legend view, but then doesn't allow us to tag them so as to identify which is which.

 

What is the purpose of a legend in which you can't identify the types listed there?!  Seriously, is there any circumstances where it is useful to have a legend with pictures of wall types but no actual identification of each type?

 

Enable tags in legends - if its not there by 2018 release I'm switching to Archicad.

 

And ability to dimensions to legend elements (I.e. cannot dimension a wall section's layers )

 

*You can use material tags as a workaround for some of these issues - for some reason those work.

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

Upvote!

This is especially annoying for door/ window schedules.

 

enough said I think.
Enthusiast
Enthusiast

Is there any way we can combine all "legends" ideas into one? Off the top of my head, these are the improvements I'd like to see with legends:

 

rotate legend components

tag legend components

override the visibility/graphics of legend components, by element and category

Linework override

Insert legends into other projects

Anonymous

It would be helpful to be able to tag a legend symbol or dimension items placed in a legend.

Explorer
Explorer

And section views for legend component!

Anonymous

Revit Legends are completely unusable in their current state.  Placing "Dumb" drafting components on a sheet that don't allow dimensioning, linework, tagging, or any editing whatsoever is contrary to everything BIM is trying to move towards.

In our office we create special phases, sections, elevations, and plans for all of our legend components.  Thereby placing the actual 3D components into the views and having all the customization of a regular 3D component.  Especially the ability to tag and propagate through the whole model any edits to the parameters of the specific element.  

 

It works well enough, but that doesn't change the fact that it's one of the dumbest work-arounds to something that should be inherently intelligent and usable in Revit.

Community Visitor
Community Visitor

As an architect (REVIT user since 2008), I do not understand that it is not possible to add dimensions and wall type tags to  wall legends. When working on projects that are being built, we use legends to illustrate how certain objects is supposed to be built. The Revit legend drawing itself is not very detailed, and therefore it is necessary to  elaborate the illustrations for the workers at the building site etcetera, adding dimensioning and type text. Writing the type text manually might cause mistakes, because it does not automatically follow the wall parameters such as type description. Tag Arkitekter AS, where I've worked since 2009, is probably the Architects firm that has the most large Residential projects in Norway. Most of Our Projects area being built, and we use REVIT as modelling device. I hope for a rapid change in Revit legends for easier and more Professional use of REVIT in Our Projects. (Using design wall design options to create wall "legends" is not a good option. We used to do that when creating door/ window legends earlier) Thank you!

Contributor
Contributor

This would be an excellent improvement, and a major improvement to every revit users' workflow. 

 

What everyone ends up doing is just putting 2d dumbtext on their legends - which is, frankly, creates a possibility for errors and change orders... 

 

IMHO - anything that is a Type Parameter should be taggable in a legend. That's all we need.

 

( I've seen some crazy 'workarounds' people have come up with to remedy this lack of obvious functionality in Revit. I've seen people put 3d model text in their families, just so the text shows up in the Legend view.)

Anonymous

Please please please allow us to dimension and snap to wall families in a legend.

Absolutely this!

 

AND also allow you to tag the walls/doors, too.

 

We currently create a separate Revit file for typical details and model in model space; or we create a Phase called "Legends" before "Existing" and set all our legends out there, set to demolish at existing Phase.

 

Here's what I would love to do, all these are material tags and dimensions:

 

image.png

Anonymous

I'm switching too. (to Archicad)

Its lost of time to symbols to Legends instead of tag and symbols not update when revised

Anonymous

Tags cannot be exposed unless you have an element to tag. As a BIM manager, I want to see all my tags without bringing in useless elements in my standards file. More importantly, we want to show tags in our legends without having to manually duplicate and maintain as up to date symbols.

 

To achieve a proper smart BIM workflow, I propose the two following capabilities:

  • Allow us to place tags in Legend views
  • Allow us to easily maintain a relationship between tags and their respective symbols.
    • Perhaps every tag is automatically converted as a symbol or there is a functions to do so.
    • If we could place tags in legends, we would probably not really need the symbol version except for old users who still think in CAD and use symbols to hide all the CAD mistakes they did in Revit.
Anonymous
Just realized you can drag and drop the annotation tags in your legend Still, there should be a more natural way to place these tags into legends, like a tagging button in the Annotation tab, that lets you select the tag type when there is no object. https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-architecture-forum/legend-of-tags/m-p/7835231/highlight/false#M...
Contributor
Contributor

It is incredible how such a basic and so important function can be ignored by Autodesk year after year.

The first update requests date back at least 7/8 years ago and nothing has been done to improve the legends

Advisor
Advisor

You can't tag a family when placed in a legend - you have to use text.

 

Tags should work in Legends as with any other view.

Advocate
Advocate

Absolutely, agreed.

 

Revit knows the name of the component in properties so it should be an easy thing to implement you'd think.

Yes I agree with this too.

 

Anonymous

we need to tag and keynoting items inside any legend or detail view

its against BIM to type data on legend as text , when some thing change in the family , its not modified in the legend it self

 

I found a work-around using dynamo https://forum.dynamobim.com/t/tagging-a-legend-in-revit/5444/6

 

It is amazing how little code is required to implement this, AutoDesk should fire a strategist and hire a coder to work on little stuff like this, they could knock out implementation of ideas like this at a rate of a couple a week (including setting up unit tests) and end up with annual releases that we look forward to rather than have to buy only because we're on subscription and can't save down.

 

Also I was able to extend the original idea to aggregate data from all instances and their hosts so I can tag my doors and windows on a legend sheet with a list of fire ratings of the walls they are in.

Anonymous

yes, thanks for your notice

but its really very big request , I don't know why autodesk not implementing that

I think we all have to stress in this similar ideas

thanks

 

Explorer
Explorer

Lets make it possible to tag an Legend Component in Revit.

Now the Text is dumb and not connected on a legend component

Advisor
Advisor
Observer
Observer

In order to make the Legend Tool useful it needs to be able to host Section views, specifically for Door and Window detail callouts.

Anonymous

Text boxes are just not BIM. Why have the possibility to drag a family as a representation in a legend when you can't tag that representation. Quite non-intuitive if you ask me. 

Anonymous

When using legend components to document your design: You cannot dimension to host components, such as walls, ceilings, and floors. This needs to be made available.

Hello

 

Dimension tools work on the walls and floors layers in Legend views.

 

Legend.jpg

Advocate
Advocate

Autodesk - please escalate this idea request to defcon 11.

Anonymous

Requesting API support for creating Legend Views and Legend Components.

Anonymous

This has to be the biggest overlooked development opportunity in Revit so far regarding architects at least.
And specifically door/window drawings.


Archicad seems less typebased and thus slightly better in earlier phases of a project.
As the project develops Revit pulls comfortably ahead expect on one thing.
Revit has a great type system but cannot document the types properly.


Looking at this very rationally and professionally, during the last 10 years, deciding not develop the ability to document types is just an error of jugdement. Simple as that.
You have Assemblies but those are unusable for Door/Window drawings for a number of reasons.
(One being they disappear when the last instance is removed)


Legend components is the logical choice but you cannot tag the information they have.

So the core of the issue is to create type drawings incl type data.

Seems so obvious right ?

Except using Revit you cannot do it.

Archicad can do it and is very very good at it.


Putting a normal Door tag on a Door component in a legend view seems to be one logical path forward.

Creating Assemblies directly from a type (no instance involved) could also do it i suppose.

But seriously come on, something needs to happen here.

 

 

 

Anonymous

Just want to add some more information to my original post here.

 

Here is a few examples on whats needed from electrical and architectural.
All disciplines need it in some way.

Example using Lines, Legend Components and Text.

(It could have been just one Tag getting the information.)
RIE_Legend.png

Then you might say.."hey what i minute we can do that with the Type Image parameter in a schedule".
We tried that and even made a function to update those images.
But its not usable because you cant align the text vertically to the image. (vertical middle)
This is how a Revit schedule will look today with the Type Image parameter:
RIE_Schedule.png

Then you have architects who needs Door/Window Drawings.
Which can look like this but can have numerous layouts.
(Which a Door Tag will solve)
Door_legend.png
Again - this could be a Door Tag - just let us tag it.


We have been using secondary design options sometimes to make those.
Design Option because you can use tags.
Secondary because they dont show in regular schedule quanitites.

 

So another idea is to make the "secondary design option functionality" available as something else.
Like a category-specific virtual design / documentation space with an API that to support it. 
(Currently there is no API support for Design Options.)

 

This is low hanging fruits with large benefits.

More or less use what you have with some changes.

 

So all in all four ideas that will get us closer to doing this:


1. Standard category tags in legend views.

2. Create Assemblys directly from Type geometry. (No instance involved)

3. Vertically align text in a schedule (wont solve everything but its a good start)

4. Secondary design option-ish documentation space incl API support.

Anonymous

And the problem, @simo74, is that there are a lot of interesting feactures that nobory is using because of handycaps like these that make them totally useless!!! Really Autodesk, wake up, it's time!

Anonymous

AUTODESK,...…….. ….. couldn't care

new subscription license brings in enough money to not worry about further enhancing their product

 

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

I agree with the sentiment and as a programmer I addressed this back in 2013 with the fear that Autodesk would quickly implement such functionality.

 

The first routine of ARUtils was ARLegend. This will let you create door and window schedules (as well as pretty much any other element type or host type). Items are placed, spaced and tagged (dumb text) and put on sheets.  In addition to this Curtain Walls can also be scheduled and placed on sheets.

 

I apologise for plugging my software but hope that it may be useful for you (and others) to be aware of it.

Anonymous

 Please please!! This should be already possible!

Advocate
Advocate

This lack of utility makes Revit almost a CAD platform when drawing construction documents.

Advocate
Advocate

This should be implemented day 1. Otherwise our documentation is not BIM.

Contributor
Contributor

I think I can die without the possibility to tag once in a Legend!

How great would be to tag a wall and have dimensions on it!

Years pass by and I'm losing hope....

Anonymous

I don't like it either, that it doesn't work, however you can use reference planes. I created one as subcategory Dims and I use it for dimensioning wall in legend. To align reference plane with wall edge you can use other object, eg. furniture, to align it with wall edge first and then you align reference plane to that furniture. And then you just copy-paste reference planes, dimension them and move accordingly.

Other option is to create a generic model family with short vertical/horizontal model line in it. This line can be easily align with wall type edge in legend. It doesn't work with other layers edges and you can not lock it to wall type edge. At least your dims can be precisely aligned to the wall type.

I don't know better ways how to do it now. The disadvantage is that dims won't be updated once you update the wall type.

Anonymous

PING? Any news on this. I'm currently on a project with lots of wall types and this functionality is sorely missed. Doing it manually is insane and infuriating... but unfortunately it's the only way for now. Please, please, please bump this (and all legend related requests) on your priority list.

Advocate
Advocate

Yup, tell me about it,  

 

Enjoy the screencast.

 

https://autode.sk/33c6lOM

Advocate
Advocate

Yup, tell me about it,  

 

Enjoy the screencast.

 

https://autode.sk/33c6lOM


Someone should play that screencast on a big screen at AU; in a lobby, or just before a keynote.

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

We need this ASAP. 

Contributor
Contributor

I doubt this has only been requested since 2016. I'm guessing that's just as far back as this version of the forums go. This absolute basic functionality is so obvious it's painful that it wasn't introduced with the first iteration of this program. The fact that we're here at least 4 releases later from this thread shows precisely the commitment autodesk has to this product and its users. Very basic functionality is what we're talking about here. Look at all of these threads begging for the same thing spanning years:

 

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/legends/idi-p/6336615?search-action-id=455882484376&searc...

 

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/allow-tags-in-legend-views/idi-p/6598921

 

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/tag-legend-components/idi-p/8355598

 

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/the-ability-to-keynote-a-legend-item/idi-p/8010950

 

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/tag-legend-component/idi-p/7952189

 

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/improvement-needed-tag-management-amp-tags-in-legends/idi...

 

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/live-legends-so-when-when-a-tag-is-changed-in-the-view-it...

 

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/enable-tag-and-dimension-in-legend-view/idi-p/7176577

 

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/design-option-view-tag-and-schedule-legend/idi-p/7025264

 

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/bim-in-legends/idi-p/6778910

 

 

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/bim-in-legends/idi-p/6778910

 

 

@pedro Don't discount the 800lb Gorilla in the room too fast. If they got enough coders to put everything into Revit that everyone wanted immediately - the cost of the software would be so astronomical it would be unaffordable.

 

We all have out pet projects we would like to see in Revit. I have about a half dozen wants- some simple - some complex... So it is irritating- but Autodesk does continue to make progress in the platforms and integration.

Advocate
Advocate

@pedro Yup, I agree with @GallowayUS_com_RonAllen1 .  We are a forum that WANTS TO IMPROVE REVIT. And I am impressed with your OCD who searched and found more than 10 links that seem fall on Deaf ears of developers, which is not true. I would not give up on that idea either. If they finally put it together in 2026 then this would be wonderful news. Be it. Smile.

Contributor
Contributor

@GallowayUS_com_RonAllen1 @WFTDesign this is one example of many obvious faults of REVIT and features users have been asking for for years. Right along with:

Giving legends a number in sheets

Aligning views between sheets

Tables in REVIT

Lines/elements less than 1/32"

The million enhancements needed to the text editor

Live spellcheck

 

Heck just look at the top voted ideas on here. They're years old, they're years overdue. You're right we'll be lucky if we get this in 2026. There's no reason to just accept that. If before 2026 a better mousetrap comes out I'm ready to jump ship at the first hint of it.

 

Advocate
Advocate

I guess you should not participate in this forum if you don't support to improve Revit. 

Advocate
Advocate

One can passionately push for improvement while being open to competition coming up with an alternative that better suits him. Yes, thank goodness I never have to do a project in Autocad again. But man, do I wish seemingly simple features that would drastically improve my work flow would be of higher priority.

 

A forum is a collection of differing opinions and perspectives. Be ok with that. 

Don't cross-post unless it is to consolidate multiple threads of the same idea.

If we are talking Hyperbole - just go back to Vanilla Flat-cad Autocad.  I am sure it can handle BIM and 3D data fine in 2d. And think of all the time you save by not having to look at every aspect of the model- especially that pesky 3rd dimension!

 

Autodesk laying off large divisions in the old hire-fire scenario rather that doubling down in development Right as their AutoCAD Spokesperson Lynn Allen left... See a indication of direction here? I suspect those were AutoCAD coders and AutoCAD base folks when the closed the Swiss office in 2017.

 

If you really want them to push all their development into Revit- Stop using AutoCAD and its derivatives!

Advocate
Advocate

Yes, if you really want to learn Revit in hard ways, the be OLD DOG LEARNING NEW TRICKS. That's what I am doing now because I want to work in Architectural Firms again. I had made the decision to give up AutoCAD for good. If you have a strong AutoCAD background then you should embrace Revit easily. 

 

I recommend you subscribe to Jeff the "Revit Kid" blogs. 

Contributor
Contributor

I'm far past "learning" REVIT at this point. I'm at the point of knowing it so well I can see its inadequacies and complain about things I expected to see resolved years ago. As a 12 year user of this software I believe I'm qualified to do so without being told to "go back to AutoCAD." But hey, at least we got PDF insertion this year right? But not linking, or snapping, or anything else you'd expect to have... which is something AutoCAD actually does better, and has for years.

@pedro I've sent the list you compiled to the moderators as duplicates of this idea suitable for merging. When they merge them the votes get consolidated which helps push the idea up in front of the roadmap planning people at Autodesk. 

Advocate
Advocate

@MichaelWarwick7522 , yes I like that. That can help them to see that and include that feature sooner than 2026. Good thing, especially you liked my screencast!  Thank you!  

Anonymous

I would like to tag the thickness of a layer in a wall for etc. I only can tag the material but not the thickness, I have to write it manually, even though revit has Information about the dimensions of the construction of a walltype

Anonymous

Yep that sounds great. upvote.

 

and of course Dimensions would be great too.

 

I'd like to add Parts view in legends! Then Parts tags could show layer thickness and material with a leader pointing to the relevant part layer. 

 

 

 

Anonymous

Hi everybody,

I did a search on this topic and I don't seem to have found any proper solution. 

 

What I am after if a tool (dimension style?) that I can use to dimension the legend component. I've never quite got why I can dimension every layer of a wall in a plan or section view but when it comes to a legend I'm not able to do it - something that has always got on my nerves!

 

Is there a way this can be done and if not can this become an enquiry for Autodesk? I am sure I am not the only user who would benefit from this tool. 

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

I know that its been 4 years since this thread has started but MAJOR Upvote. Window and Door Legends would be way less stressful if I could use a parametric window and door tag on my legend symbol rather than a text box that someone could forget to update.... Legend symbols are one of those revit things that are soooo close to being this perfect tool, but falls just short. Tagging in legends would fix that.Annotation 2020-02-04 135456.jpg

 

Advocate
Advocate

You can dimension a Legend component. You have to be in your Project, then create a Legend. Then you can dimension one item to another. There has to be something to Dimension to, so sometimes you need to add a Reference Plane, or a Model Line.

Anonymous

@craigh_bim 

Sorry, I haven't been clear. I was talking about items like walls, which can't be dimensioned once placed in the legend. Even if you switch from plan to section view there is no way to add dimensions to the layers unless you draw a detail line on top of them. And that's very annoying! 

Advocate
Advocate

@Anonymous 

I get it. Legends are inadequate. :cara_de_decepción:

 

Participant
Participant

It's possible to do a Material Keynote but not an Object Keynote. Object Keynoting of Legend View items is needed.

Collaborator
Collaborator

yeah, its mid of 2020 and we still cannot create a real BIM legend in Revit...

 

unbelievable.

 

gio

Contributor
Contributor
This is a request to endorse LEGENDS with ability to TAG a legend component. In example walls legend should at least be possible to tag represented walls. That way we'd have a "live" display of what this element is, and could pair it with a schedules, at least. Otherwise, any other way to display a parametric description of placed legend elements.
Anonymous

This would be a great option. Especially for type parameters.

Contributor
Contributor

This deserves so many more votes, Legends are awful in Revit.  Considering this is BIM, the function of these are completely opposite of what BIM stands for. Should of been fixed many years ago. Allot of work is needed on increasing functionality of  legends.

Collaborator
Collaborator

What is the status of this request? "Gathering support"?

 

This is IMMENSELY useful for us to create REAL BIM Legends... and we need to make legends EVERY DAY, for EVERY PROJECT, this is not a rare task, but a daily occurrence.

 

Only materials parameters can be tagged in legends, last time I checked.

 

Right now we still have to create a "Legend" phase, or option... and actually model the legends' elements in some remote portion of the project... quite incredible after 15 years of development.

 

Thank you

 

Gio

Contributor
Contributor

Incredible is one way to put it. Abusive/Irresponsible/Careless would be others. 
It's things like this that forced the largest names in Architecture to pen an open letter to the pathetic attention design has received in this program. Even after that there's been no progress on this or the thousand other quality of life issues in the design-realm in REVIT updates. 

https://www.archpaper.com/2020/07/leading-architecture-firms-pen-open-letter-to-autodesk/

Collaborator
Collaborator

This is a much needed addition. We can't simply draw lines on the edge of a wall and dimension to them, only for the wall to change width and then the legend is wrong. We have to go into the Legend and make the change. This is not BIM. I see so many additions made to Revit 2022, and although some are great, the ability to dimension properly (and tag) in a Legend is much more important. It reduces so much time double checking things in Legend views after something is changed in the Model. I will not introduce a new Phase as other posts have suggested to deal with this. Please introduce this asap @Anonymous. 

Collaborator
Collaborator

This is a much needed addition. We can't simply draw lines on the edge of a wall and dimension to them, only for the wall to change width and then the legend is wrong. We have to go into the Legend and make the change. This is not BIM. I see so many additions made to Revit 2022, and although some are great, the ability to dimension properly (and tag) in a Legend is much more important. It reduces so much time double checking things in Legend views after something is changed in the Model. I will not introduce a new Phase as other posts have suggested to deal with this. Please introduce this asap @autodesk.

Contributor
Contributor

Time goes by....nothing

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

HI Autodesk. please release this feature already. I have paid for countless useless plug ins and errors because IT IS NOT BIM. Please add taggable legends like this week. Skip Dynamo. Dynamo is pretty much useless we need actually solutions. I've written dynamo scripts and really it needs to be a solid integral part of this software.

Anonymous

Autodesk will not care about adding such features until their sale numbers drop

Explorer
Explorer

I agree with this too.

Advisor
Advisor

It’s Really frustrating in the BIM environment to be able to parameterise everything and then have to write it out manually as text in a legend because Revit doesn’t support tagging legend components…

 

Come on AutoDesk, show Legends some love, they’re archaic in Revit and sorely in need of an update.

Explorer
Explorer

we would like to tag a window and door frame in a window and door legend

Enthusiast
Enthusiast
Agreed. This should be a top priority.

Agreed- sucks and is broken. Agree should be fixed along with typing, sub typing, and open-source definitions for the basis of storage and modification of data.

 

As with any other software there are work arounds. Easiest is a "Pre-construction" phase which hosts doors, windows, walls components, etc. that can be added in to legends. Effective and easy to filter out.

Collaborator
Collaborator

Can someone from Revit, preferably a decision maker or a developer, please explain in detail why this can't be done. Maybe we are all missing something, but it seems like a simple fix that has been required for a long time. Revit is a tool that enables you to extract information from it, but is only as good as the information you put in. So why would the developers allow Families to be dropped on Legend Views without being able to Tag them so you can be confident on the information being provided/submitted from the Revit model. Again, there has to be a reason, so can someone please explain it.

Explorer
Explorer

Still nothing in 2023 Revit

Enthusiast
Enthusiast
Dag!!!
Advocate
Advocate

What is most absurd, is that even in Autodesk own Legend example images there are Tags and Texts, probably written in dumb text note manner. This is BIM in 2022, jesus christ. What is the point of legend if you cannot tag elements shown there?! 

 

And this is not even on the public roadmap! https://trello.com/b/ldRXK9Gw/revit-public-roadmap 

 

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit/learn-explore/caas/CloudHelp/cloudhelp/2021/ENU/Revit-D...

 

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit/learn-explore/caas/CloudHelp/cloudhelp/2014/ENU/Revit/f...

Community Visitor
Community Visitor

J'aimerais que l'on puisse étiqueter à l'aide d'un keynote un composant de légende.

 

I would like to be able to label a legend component using a keynote.

 

Participant
Participant

When are Autodesk going to wake up and put this on the roadmap!  It's over 6 years since this glaringly obvious requirement was posted.


Enthusiast
Enthusiast
Amen!
Contributor
Contributor

We need to be able to schedule and tag elements in legends, e.g. wall-types.  We use the wall-type 'type mark' to reference different wall-types throughout the project.  However, there is no way to reference this to a legend, which seems like a really basic principle.

Collaborator
Collaborator

My tags work placed as a symbol under annotate tab.

Participant
Participant

Hallo Zusammen,

 

derzeit gibt es keine Beschriftungsfamilie für Legendenkomponenten.

Das wäre jedoch von großem Vorteil, um z.B. die verschiedenen Wandtypen differenzieren zu können.

 

Eine Alternative könnte eine Erweiterung des Farblegenden-Tools bieten.

Hier hat man zur Zeit lediglich Zugriff auf Raum-Parameter.

Könnten man z.B. auch Wand- oder Deckenparameter mit entsprechender Farblegende darstellen, könnten so einfach und übersichtlich Unterschiede graphisch dargestellt werden.

 

Contributor
Contributor

16 years using Revit and 4 years since i did this post. 530 votes 63 comments and... nothing. Cant say we didnt try :cara_sonriente_con_la_boca_abierta_y_sudor_frío:

Enthusiast
Enthusiast
THIS IS SO NECESSARY! I WISH THEY WOULD AT LEAST EXPLAOIN WHY IT IS SO HARD TO ADD!!!! And then figure it out LOL
Participant
Participant
We have to keep trying. This is a big one.

Trouble is Autodesk don't really listen to their users.

We are currently using design options to get round this limitation, but it's by no means ideal.

Collaborator
Collaborator

They really don't listen, but they pretend they do. They spend so much time creating new pointless platforms (AAC) that we already have (BIM 360) or acquiring new platforms (at a huge cost), but they can't fix what they already sell (at a huge cost) to the everyday consumer, that would improve daily workflows. What good is BIM when you can't do simple tasks without workarounds that disrupt BIM workflows, such as design options for this method. These are already confusing without having to explain the use of them to TAG A COMPONENT IN A LEGEND VIEW. It is not much to ask for. 

Enthusiast
Enthusiast
Agreed I hope they hear this.! I think I may complete my career before they add something that should have been out with release 1

Share some decorum and respect please : ) In my experience over 17 years in Revit, they do listen.  I too am frustrated by the acquisitions that suck coding resources away from Revit and 360; it isn't as easy as snapping fingers to update object-based code that interacts with a large code base (many hundreds of thousands of lines?). I've met a lot of these folks and they are busting their asses to manage this beast. You also have to consider Corporate who is miles above here which is faced with a much broader task of keeping the AEC ball rolling forward and keeping the innovations coming to be profitable. 'Autodesk has a market cap or net worth of $42.01 billion as of December 8, 2022, making it the 263rd biggest public company in the US.' That's a LOT of expensive moving parts and Revit is a small part of it.

Again granted - I too am frustrated... but the snipes are getting too personal. The forum leaders and coders are just like you and I- just their job is coding our tools every day VIA Autodesk.  They aren't slacking, and just consider there are hundreds if not thousands of suggestions to rework revit on this forum - some of which are in direct opposition to one another. Check the roadmaps to see what is coming up... https://trello.com/b/ldRXK9Gw/revit-public-roadmap

If you really want to draw attention to it - make a voting drive! Post it on Linkedin, forums, and your local intranet sites and ask folks to take a look and vote it up if they agree!

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Collaborator

Sorry @GallowayUS_com_RonAllen1, but no one mentioned the hard working individuals who work tirelessly to bring things like this to the customer, however, we are still a paying customer and our "beef" is with Autodesk, and not the daily workforce. I don't think they need a Knight in shining armor to fight their cause.

 

The evidence is clear. Basic fundamental issues are not being addressed by Autodesk, so something is wrong at the top table and changes are required from the decision makers to advance BIM software basics in order to improve the BIM process. 

In my opinion, which is just an opinion, based off observations and contributions to the industry, Autodesk do not listen to their customers. The systems in place do not work. The ideas forum needs improving. They focus on making money, and why not, its a money making company as you point out. Making that much money should allow them to hire more staff maybe. I will continue to try making a difference by sharing my frustrations here so that everyday Autodesk representatives can collect and share these frustrations up the food chain to those decision makers. I don't have all the answers, of course, but I am a paying customer who would like to see improvements. And of course, absolutely everything can't be addressed, but ideas like these that are going around for years should be looked at in more detail. Its how we operate ourselves in our own day-to-day work like. If an issue was floating around our office for this long, I would be out of a job for not fixing it.

 

Again, back to the day-to-day workforce. A similar comparison, which I was recently involved with, is that I was stuck sitting on a plane for hours due to weather. Do I blame mother nature, the crew, the airline, or the airport authority? Weather is weather, and I certainly wouldn't blame the air crew, or the airline in this case, but the airport could be blamed for not prepping the airport with adequate resources to deal with these issues. The same applies here. Our frustration is with Autodesk.

@Kev_D - I am not saying they are saints for certain. Top leadership, as in most corporations, has gotten too far from the product to understand or see the implications of changes beyond balance sheets and a bottom line. I wonder how many coders and project managers have ideas to fix things that are ahead of schedule, and those who are just working a 9 to 5 and don't care because they are so far down the line they cannot see the top.

 

So few have a broad end to end, inside out view from now to those penultimate applications. 

 

Maybe we just need to create our own- I have thought about it for quite a while, and ways to begin democratizing data.

 

In the meantime- this is the platform we chose and these are the updates given.  All the gaps I will do my best to code and fill in with scripting, automation and AI : )

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Collaborator

This kind of epitomizes what I am getting at..... The world's best BIM360 Idea - Autodesk Community  

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Collaborator

Not being able to tag legend components is one of those items that is still missing, and I find this one really curious why it is still not implemented.

But let's not forget how far Revit has come along since subscription was introduced a few years ago, and there are so many features that they are really working hard on implementing.

Hopefully, more powerful and easier documentation on a broad scale will become more of a priority in the near future.

 

We need another 1000 votes

Advocate
Advocate

I found an Youtube video where someone is adding Multi Category Tags to a wall legend.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_UkAzdCjEE

Is it that not possible? I am trying to do but it only works with Material Tags. 

 

Update 

I think he is tagging 2d Detail components and not Legend components?

Collaborator
Collaborator

@ConstantineC I think he is using a drafting view and calling it a "legend view" as a workaround.

I tried using mc tags in a legend view and they wouldn't tag.

Advocate
Advocate

@Mark_Engwirda I dont think its a drafting view. Seems to be a Wall legend view. 

I dont know how is he doing it, I placed a question in his comments, hopefully he will reply.

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Participant
Participant

We should be able to use cotation with a legend comonent, even with system family. 

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

Quite crazy, that something simple that should be standard functionality needs an Idea Station and is ignored for such a long time having so many votes ☹

Contributor
Contributor

Legend Component is a great tool to easily place all windows in a sheet. Still, not being able to tag by keynote those elements creates the necessity to manually place text notes and doesn´t allow a keynote legend schedule to be placed as well

What a brilliant idea!! I hope Autodesk takes in consideration this suggestion.

Contributor
Contributor

It would be good to also use element tag on a legend component as well! As our window and doors use element tags not keynotes

Contributor
Contributor

It would be great to tag Type Comment or any Parameter in Legend View. It would automatize legends if i put legend component with description in one row

Contributor
Contributor

This would be a game changer, keynote or normal tag or both in legends!!! We need this!!!

Collaborator
Collaborator

People have been asking for this for at least 10 yrs, if not longer.  It is not currently possible and it is quite annoying.  They need to add "Legend Component" as a category so that you can add parameters and tag those parameters.  Even just being able to add dimensions would be helpful.  Add your support to the "wish list" for this item and they may get around to it eventually.

 

Regards Peter.

 

Advocate
Advocate

To make Legend components really useful for keys and schedules I would add the following things:

 

  • Allow all projections (plan, front-back-sides elevations & section) to all items. Its particularly annoying that you can't do a floor finish or ceiling plan type key using legend components of the relevant floors/ceilings, because you can only use section legend views of them, not plan (being able to set a cut plane would be a bonus - especially if you could set the "height" of variable height legend components like walls).
  • Allow Legend components to react to filters in the same way the actual components they represent do. This allows us to create filters for things like wall types that can adjust the legend components in the key as well. Eg legend component of wall sections should react to filters that change the colour of a wall in section.
Collaborator
Collaborator

this seems still not possible - you can do a material tag but cannot simply do a window or door tag? surely this is fixed and I am missing something?  can can put a window tag on the window in the floor plan but I can't do it on a legend?

 

In 2023 am I still having to manually enter text next to the door or window and if during a variation of the drawing and potentially changing 50 doors and windows I have to go through manually in the legend and amend them?

 

no, surely?

Participant
Participant

You can dimension legend components why on earth can you not tag them.  It is utterly crazy.

Collaborator
Collaborator

This is one of those very basic required Revit BIM additons. If we can't coordinate data/information within the model, then how can we do BIM as a process. It's mind boggling how they focus on introducing the latest and greatest additions to the Autodesk family, but fail to deliver on basics for Revit modelling. Wait till you see them all jumping with joy at new features they will introduce during the upcoming AU that will extort money from the industry even more.

Autodesk, it's time to get back to basics!

BIM = BUILDING INFORMATION MODELLING/MANAGEMENT (notice the word information)

AUTODESK, I CAN GIVE YOU A PRESENTATION ON WHAT BIM IS IF YOU LIKE!

@Kev_D - Autodesk developers are bustin ass to maintain and implement new features. It isn't just a snap of the fingers. Legends are odd ducks anyway.

 

If you want this functionality now, Create a "Pre-construction" phase and create callouts to go on the pages. In these callouts can you can tag an dimension as needed.... Or create assemblies with their own views may be another option.

 

I realize people are frustrated, and the software is stupid expensive, but it is the best out there; Speak your frustration, acknowledge it- but please don't taunt the happy fun ball

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Collaborator

Appreciate the input @GallowayUS_com_RonAllen1, but Autodesk reap the benefits so they can listen to frustrated customers. And being a paying customer, like most on these forums, I think we are entitled to vent.

I don't doubt for a second staff are not busting their ass, but decision makers need to focus on basics. Simple! Listen to the customers. 

I have tried all other workarounds, but it leads to issues, and the same question always arises..... Why can't we just tag a legend component?

 

BIM can't progress if our house is not in order.

Collaborator
Collaborator

The frustration comes from this being so many years old in request, for a more simple fix as its already able to do material tags, so its not that far away to add regular category tag. I say don't be tough on Revit crew if its a new idea and its hard and its debatable how it will work, but this is simple and a no brainer and will add value to the software

Contributor
Contributor

I used to create a new thread every year for this and call it "the 2020 allow tags in a legend thread" until the moderators started removing them. I can tell you with absolute certainty that this feature has been requested on the ideas board since at least 2008 - which is when I started using REVIT. Autodesk ignoring this and calling this a BIM program is shameful.  

See my previous post in this thread:

Tag Legend Components - Page 2 - Autodesk Community

Collaborator
Collaborator

It seems strange as it would be such a value add to the software, and I mean a gigantic value add. 

I keep thinking that I have it backwards and someone is going to tell me that I can do it but I just don't know how.

the argument should be 'I can do category tags, can I please to material tags' which would seem harder, but no 'I can do material tags but not category tags'??   

This is so essential that I figured it was a no brainer and of course it is a function, but when I watched a tutorial and saw the lecturer manually entering text, I thought no, this cant be happening?

 

PLEASE Revit respond to this

 

Thanks in advance

 

 

Collaborator
Collaborator

Door and window tags in Legends, please come on!

Participant
Participant

I see that looking at the Revit 2025 features that tagging legend components has yet again been missed off the new features list.  This has been a user request for at least a decade.

it is so fundamental to the concept of BIM.

Frustrated!

Allowing tags to be used in legend components would enhance the detailing of windows and doors. 

Hello,

Would it be possible to include nomenclatures in legends, please?

 

Best regards,