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Rotate Drafting Patterns

Long time Wish List item:

Model Patterns can be rotated, why not Drafting?
We've got a lot of drafted details that would look a lot nicer if the patterns would line up with the elements.

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Advisor
Advisor

Completely agree. This would greatly reduce the amount of work that is needed to make a detail section look better. Now we model most of our casework, but in able to show up good in section views we need to go over it with detail components (most casework hatches like plywood etc are directional). If we were able to rotate the drafting patterns on view by view basis we could just go in there, rotate a few hatches and be done with it.

 

In order for it to work though, one should be able to rotate patterns on non-system families (for now we can rotate patterns on ceilings and walls but not patterns that are attached to a casework family (a splashing wall above a kitchen counter, a tiled worksurface on a kitchen island, wood veneer patterns, ...)

 

Alos, it would be great if drafting hatches would react to "align with element". 

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

Drafting patterns have the "Orientation in Host Layers" option that can be set to "Align with element" - but according to Autodesk help, this only works  when the fill pattern is used in walls, floors, roofs, ceilings...

 

I would love for this to work with detail components - and why not always?  Is there ever a time when we would NOT want a drafting pattern to stay aligned with the element when that option is set?

Anonymous

This is total no-brainer. Make it so #1!

Community Manager
Community Manager
El estado se ha cambiado a: Under Review

Thanks for your submission and votes on this idea!  We are evaluating where this request falls into our roadmap and will provide an update when we have made a decision.  

 

The Factory

Explorer
Explorer

Revit needs the ability to alter the alignment of drafting patterns. Everything is based on starting @ 0 and there are times when that really doesn't work.

Advisor
Advisor
Collaborator
Collaborator

You can create rotations from patterns with the HatchKit Add-In for Revit  available from the Revit Exchange.

 

Note that this does not cover dplumb's desire to rotate or translate instances of drafting fills as each amended view could require referring to a different new pattern.

 

The ability to rotate, translate or even scale each instance of a drafting fill would confer great flexibility where none is currently available.  

Autodesk
Autodesk
El estado se ha cambiado a: Future Consideration

We've completed our review of this idea. After investigating the effort required to implement this request, we unable to add it to our roadmap at this time due to other priorities. However, we think this is a great idea so we will reconsider it as we made adjustments to our roadmap in the future. Thanks for the submission and keep voting!

 

The Factory

Advocate
Advocate

It wouldn't surprise me if this problem has the same cause as this issue:

 

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit-products/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles...

 

Anonymous

please allow to change the origin of the pattern and its direction

 

Advisor
Advisor

This is a duplicate of this Idea with over 200 upvotes

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/rotate-drafting-patterns/idi-p/6323029

Currently under "future consideration"

Anonymous

YES!  

This is one of those obvious functionality issues with Revit that I am astonished exists.  Being able to rotate/align fill patterns in drafting views is a critical detailing requirement.  

 

Anonymous
Rotating a drafting pattern would be so helpfull. If it's posible i want to scale them by viewscale too! https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/change-the-scale-of-the-fill-patern-by-view-scale/idi-p/7...
Anonymous

I can't rotate drafting patterns.  For example- the oft mentioned plywood detail item- does not align to the direction it is drawn- so I am limited to a pattern that is either vertical or horizontal.  Drafting patterns should be fully rotational- so that when my plywood is at a 30 degree rotation- I can have a plywood pattern that is also at 30 degree rotation.

Anonymous


This is not the title I wrote- this is the title that autodesk suggested- apparently by reviewing the suggestion- it means I select the suggestion.  The title should be "Align or Rotate drafting patterns." 

Collaborator
Collaborator

But the "title" is at this moment still a problem https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/set-section-perpendicular/idi-p/7155751

And i like to see that patterns could be rotated.

 

Advisor
Advisor

I posted the same thing a while ago.

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/rotate-drafting-patterns/idi-p/6323029

At the moment, it's on the third page of the "Top Voted" tab

For some reason it's marked as "Implemented, but I think that's a bug in the system somewhere. It should be marked as Archived.

The verbiage in the Autodesk reply says

"we are unable to add it to our roadmap at this time due to other priorities"

Autodesk
Autodesk
El estado se ha cambiado a: Archived
 
Autodesk
Autodesk
El estado se ha cambiado a: Under Review
 
Autodesk
Autodesk
El estado se ha cambiado a: Future Consideration
 
Enthusiast
Enthusiast

As long as the option to rotate or align drafting patterns with detail items is not implemented, drawing details in Revit is not a viable option. This should be priority nr 1 if Revit wants to be a complete architectural tool and not just a BIM modeler.

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

Please get this wish list item on track and implemented soon! This is long overdue. The most expensive BIM modeler existing (Revit) cannot rotate drafting patterns in 2018. Something AutoCAD had figured out 20 years ago. It is quite laughable.

As long as the option to rotate or align drafting patterns with detail items is not implemented, drawing details in Revit is not a viable option. This should be priority nr 1 if Revit wants to be a complete architectural tool and not just a BIM modeler.

Anonymous

This is unacceptable, and a total irritant. It goes against all logic. Having to create a new pattern for all angles is just plain stupid.  Please listen to the people that are using your products. It seems to be a basic need that that appears to have been swept under the rug.

Explorer
Explorer

Not even Revit 2019 or Revit 2020 can yet allow model surface patterns that rotate automatically with wall and floor surfaces are allowed to be placed in wall cut patterns. Still stuck here using drafting patterns for wall cut patterns that do not rotate or scale correctly all the time especially for Fire Rating walls. Please Sasha or Harlan place this at the top of the list as an easy fix and longtime request. It can be done in AutoCAD years ago, but not Revit years later and would greatly enhance the plan and 3D cut graphics

 

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Explorer
Explorer

I would very much like to see this simple improvement made as well.

Explorer
Explorer

SERIOUSLY !?! it's 2020 and still no implementation for something CAD has done forever?

Explorer
Explorer

SIMPLE...I WANT TO BE ABLE TO ROTATE FILLED REGION FOR DRAFTING VIEW.

Advisor
Advisor

Please search before making a new post.

I have the same Idea here with over 300 upvotes

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/rotate-drafting-patterns/idc-p/9629507#M32950

 

Explorer
Explorer
I did search and I could not find anything but I voted in! thanks!
Enthusiast
Enthusiast

SERIOUSLY ! Please improve this.

 

For example, our cable tray uses 45° diagonal pattern,  when the cable tray is in 45° (or close) direction, the presentation is very bad.

Explorer
Explorer

I completely agree with eve, just another issue autodesk refuses to address.  I wish there was another option for commercial coordination and drawing besides revit or autodesk.  Maybe a company that would listen to its users and not focus on sucking money out of another industry (Construction Management) into their black hole of autodesk...   We all know where their energy is going and its not on the software we use as architects and engineers.  Its all about the money,  and not about our efficiency and ease of use for our jobs. 

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

I guess it's too much effort to walk across the room and talk to the AutoCAD developers. That program has been able to rotate hatch patterns for years, and it uses hatch pattern definition files almost identical to Revit's pattern fill files. Not very impressed with Autodesk's lack of effort here.

Community Visitor
Community Visitor

OMG, it is been 4 years to rotate a draft pattern. time flies......................................................................................................

Collaborator
Collaborator

The same way Revit can align model patterns, it also needs the ability to align drafting patterns. 

Advisor
Advisor
El estado se ha cambiado a: Gathering Support

To reorganize and consolidate our Revit Ideas for ease of use to both our customers and our product teams, we are no longer using the "Future Consideration" status for Revit Ideas. All Revit Ideas are always under review, and consolidating posts (and Kudos!) will give weight to topics previously spread across many posts. We are continuing to evaluate where this request falls into our roadmap and will provide an update when we have made a decision. 

Thank you for your contribution!

 

-The Factory

@dplumb_BWBR  Thank you! I will combine these posts and kudos! @ChrisGamble Thank you both for the Idea!

 

-The Factory

Advisor
Advisor

When exporting anything with a hatch pattern into dwg format even the simplest patterns such as ANSI31 are generated on the fly or associated with a proper autocad pattern file. While this is not a problem as long as you stick with the patterns that come in the box, you run into problems when you need bespoke patterns such as an ANSI31 pattern rotated by 90°. AutoCAD itself can just add a rotation angle to the hatch object. Revit cannot.

As long as the generated dwg files are only looked at, the generate on the fly approach is fine but if the dwg files are to be edited (some clients require that) all hatch patterns end up looking like the first hatch pattern AutoCAD can find because the user (ie Revit) defined pattern is nowhere to be found. I think this is a considerable flaw.

Advisor
Advisor

Also why cannot the pattern factor AutoCAD offers be made use  of?

Explorer
Explorer

I came to the Knowledge Network for an answer to why my plywood hatch pattern would not rotate and align with the element only to find a work around. If Revit has solved this, why can't they update the 2017 version with a real solution? I'm using 2021, but older projects still use 2017 and I'm not allowed to update existing projects. I'd hate to draw in the individual lines!

Advisor
Advisor

@wr.marshall  Got it. Thanks!

 

-Kimberly

Contributor
Contributor

2021 ans still "align with element" not working 

Explorer
Explorer

@harlan_brumm 

Any updates on being able to rotate a drafting pattern? This was marked future consideration in 2018. This is a huge design flaw in Revit's drafting capabilities. 

@kimberly.fuhrman Is there any progress on this?  This issue is currently driving me crazy on some details I am working on - I would like to be able to rotate a piece of plywood so that my detail is legible.

 

Thanks!

Hi, @Brian_DriskaYASYX (nice username! :cara_que_ríe_con_la_boca_abierta_y_los_ojos_sonrientes:),

 

I have not seen any updates, and I can't make any promises, but I am sure the team is aware of this issue. I certainly understand the frustration!

 

-Kimberly

Contributor
Contributor

Very frustrating that rotating a hatch pattern has been put in the too hard basket!!  It's 2022 and we still can't rotate a simple pattern...  PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE can you get the basics such as this working properly before offering any new features in Revit.  It is 15 years after starting to use Revit in our office, and finding and implementing workarounds to get our drawings looking legible still consumes an extraordinary amount of time and profit.

Advisor
Advisor
Mentor
Mentor

So, its been 6 years now since this very reasonable request and no progress.  In 2023, we now have an updated colorization for dynamo (completely unnecessary) but can't align drafting hatch patterns  with their detail elements.  We don't even have a rotation parameter for hatch patterns, so if we need to rotate the hatch pattern, we need a new name and new hatch pattern code, bloating the pat files with unnecessary code. Adding the type selection for nested fill region patterns was a good step forward but drafting pattern alignment is still a prerequisite for detailing.

 

Observer
Observer

5 years later and this still has not been implemented?

Participant
Participant

Let me see, right now is 3202. We still have nothing implemented. 

Explorer
Explorer

I came from 3043 to see if this was an issue in 2023. Hell yea it is!!

Contributor
Contributor

And after 7 years, nothing happened.  But still needed. 

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

Autodesk, change your priorities to implement this, this is actually needed to make decent looking construction documents, unlike everything in Revit under Massing tab.

Participant
Participant

@Anonymous Please make this happen, Rotating drafting pattern in Revit, come on please,!!1

Explorer
Explorer

At this moment its not possible to align drafting hatches to the element although this option is available within filled region, its actually not working.

Please make this possible