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@MuirEng Ideally, each independent capability would be logged as a separate idea so we have more granular quantifiable feedback from which to gauge relative importance.  

 

Regarding observations of the original post... 

This idea was accepted, because, the first idea has largely been addressed.

 

Put the panels listed in the "select panel" pull-down menu in order! Any order! Alphabetical would be fine, "Most recently used" would be good, "As connected" would be fine.  All of those options with configurability would be even better!  But come on! Working on a huge project with lots of panels is so annoying.  Clicking to select which panel isn't that useful on larger projects.

Implemented.. Not necessarily exactly as asked for (as the request to be in alphabetical order has undesirable side effects).. but the core need.  The original design was that they were sorted based on relative distance to the elements you are connecting when selecting the panel.  Though, I seem to recall noticing that it can be ambiguous what the coordinates are that this is based on.  The original designer for that logic is no longer around, I assume the logic was, 'chances are, the panel you need to connect to is 'close', and thus, should be at the top of the list, to avoid constantly scrolling a long list of panels.  This was intentionally not in alphabetical order, which would lead to scenarios where what you connect to may frequently be at the bottom of the list (e.g., if your naming convention was based on level, where a panel on level 27 was named 27xyz, when working on such upper floors, you'd have a lot of scrolling.
Through discovery, when updating this a number of years ago, we determined the need was more about 'make it easier to select the panel I need to connect to'... thus, the panel list was made searchable, and also added was a 'most recently used' list as requested here.. providing two capabilities... avoiding the need to scroll potentially long lists, and also, making it quick to circuit devices on various panels (e.g., power, lighting, and equipment) without constantly having to search.
Other than the somewhat odd sequence, the problem of easily selecting the required panel from a large list provides what we found through usability testing to be an acceptable mechanism.

 

Add an item to the right click menu on the panel schedules in the Project Browser to "show" where that panel is.

Not addressed. 

 

Also allow ability to select the panel (so you can edit panel parameters) from here.

Not addressed.

 

Same thing as above for inside a panel schedule editor! You should be able to edit all panel instance parameters (including ones that aren't shown on the panel schedule) without having to go hunt for it.

This was added a while ago.  In a panel schedule view, when a cell in the top section is selected, the Properties Palette updates to show the properties of the associated Equipment Family instance, letting you edit all instance (and type) parameters w/o having to go hunt for it.

 

Also add "show panel" here to locate the panel in floorplan.

Not addressed.

 

Make Spares and spaces movable.

They are.. aren't they.  Other than when they're Locked, they're movable.  Am I missing something?

 

Right now you can group breakers and move them around.  Why can't you just select multiple and move them without grouping, that's a bit of a hassle.

Not addressed.  

 

You should be able to apply load types to spares.  Now you can take a spare, apply a load and revit will count it.  But revit doesn't let you apply a type to that load, so it's not a "receptacle, or lighting, etc.".  This limitation will mean a lot of projects will have to drop back into autocad panel schedules or use drafting view manual panel schedules.

Generally, we hear this isn't just about applying loads to Spares..  but more generally, accounting for loads that one doesn't want to model... or that you can't model (e.g., loads that need to be accounted for based on area).  In such cases, they're no longer Spares.. so if you're shooting for a certain % of Spare breakers in the project, this would ambiguate that.  There is progress in this direction w/ the analytical workflow (which both capabilities now exist).  We envision connecting these concepts between the 'analytical' world and the 'physical' world over time.

 

Spaces and spares should both be able to have frame size in distribution panel schedules. Currently it always shows "--", which is wrong.  Usually you tell the contractor to buy a certain size frame.
Frame size was added for Spares.  Feedback when this was done was that users had concern that in most cases, the Frame Size for a Space would not be specified, or known, and since it is a numeric field, would have an ambiguous value of 0 A, so that's why it wasn't added at the same time. 

 

The parameter names available inside the panel schedules are ambiguous.  There's one called "Mains type" and one called "Mains", "MCB Rating"... these are not clear.  

Better names would be "Main Type (MCB/MLO)" and then "Main Frame" and "Main Trip" .  

Not addressed.

 

If a panel is MLO it should show "--" or NA or something like that for the non-existent trip unit... But as it stands now a parameter that must be a number is there so you have to have two panel schedule templates for MLO/MCB.  

Similar problem to Frame Size being a number.. the more general (and more challenging) need is related to wanting to have numeric properties that have the option of having an 'unspecified' value/option.

 

All parameters should be instance and schedule-able even outside of panel schedules.  Lots of duplicate parameters need to be removed.  

Not addressed.  It's difficult at best to remove data/parameters.. there are challenges w/ upgrade, data loss considerations, etc.   this is perhaps a bigger need related to giving the user control of what should be instance vs. type.. and perhaps some control of what they want as part of their Schema, which the framework doesn't presently provide mechanisms for, for built-in parameters.  

Panel Schedule templates should be saveable and loadable outside of revit.  You should allow people to do this without having to deal with "Transfer Project Standards"

Not addressed.. probably a general need across all 'types'.