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Revit 2019 - Window Maximizing

Revit 2019 has lost a feature of conveniently maximizing any one of the tiled windows, while still having all the tools, project browser and properties visible.

 

If you have multiple tiled windows open, and you wish to maximize only one of them, you have to "pull" the chosen window out to get the small "maximize" icon in the top right corner, as well when you do maximize it, the window does not include any of the tools nor the project browser nor the properties, just the window. 

 

I like the view tabs and how they work, but why get rid of another equally valuable feature? Why not have both? 

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Autodesk
Autodesk

Hi Do you notice that there is a new function called 'Tab Views' which will put all tiled tabs in side of the Revit main frame into non-tiling mode - so now you will have your current active view maximized.

Does this workflow meet your current requirement?

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

Hi. I was not aware of this function. Thank you very much for pointing this out!

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

This tab view doesnt help get the tool bars back when you maximize a view, which makes no sense.  if you bring it to a different screen, that would make sense, but on 1 screen, its necessary to have that top tool bar, even if you rarely use the buttons like i do. why do you guys always have to change things

you also removed the function of double clicking the top of a window to maximize it, another bad move

Autodesk
Autodesk

Hi jseltzer, when you say tool bars, what function do you refer? 

Anonymous

I would also love to see the option back to maximize only one window while still having multiple tiled windows open in the background. 
Is this something we could hope to see added back in future updates?

Community Visitor
Community Visitor

I use the minimize command to allow me to only tile a subset of the open windows; with the minimize button gone, is there another way to achieve this workflow?

Autodesk
Autodesk

@dleetch, not yet. As a workaround, you might try to pull the views not joining the tiling to be out-of-frame windows, then they will not be count when tiling.

But to know more, would you mind to let me know in what context you want to minimize the window - not seeing it instead of closing it?

Autodesk
Autodesk

@Anonymous, now you could try to TAB WINDOWS (TW as shortcut) to bring a view to be maximized. Does this work in your workflow?

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

I hate to say it but this still isn't working as good as the previous versions of Revit. Yes, you can use TW to TAB windows and maximize the current view (that's great) but 99% of the time I want to have multiple windows open (not just 1) and after tiling (WT) I will choose a few windows to minimize in order to see the remaining windows bigger on a single screen. I don't want to close the windows because then I have to search for them again through the project browser and that can be very time-consuming. 

 

How can I quickly achieve this in 2019? Currently, the only workaround for this is TAB all windows, then pull out the ones that you don't want to be included in tiling (WT) from the TAB. Not very quick/convenient. 

Autodesk
Autodesk

@sdijanovic  Thanks for the feedback. Let me understand your workflow here. Why did you have some windows remaining open but minimized? For the last time you were able to do so, what were those views for? Why did you feel it's time-consuming for re-open the views from project browser?

I am trying to understand the context a little bit more and hope to look for a solution for the pain-points.

You are correct, currently the workaround to achieve the similar thing is to pull the views out.

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

The new system is terrible

if you want to maximize a view on the same screen as the main program, you lose the toolbars at the top. EVERYTHING is wrong with the way this was done. i don't understand why you guys have to mess around with everything. the only positive thing here is that you can use multiple screens. i'm trying to figure out what is worse, the way this is done or the fact you got rid of the Collaboration communicator or the entire new setup for Collaboration. i don't know who is designing these these things, but it cant be architects who are actually using this program 

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

@Kitty.Ma I will have at least 3-4 different views open that are focused on a specific area/item, at the same time, in order to see how the changes that I'm making look from different views. Typically, this is a plan view, elevation view, section view, and a 3D view, but it could be other views as well (different 3D angles or multiple plan views if the change is affecting multiple floors). A lot of times, I am building custom families or modelling masses, etc.  

Your first and last question are basically concerning the same issue and that is the issue of convenience and flexibility. I have minimized the windows because it is easier to re-open (maximize) them then it is to search them through the project browser, at least in previous versions of Revit. Searching through the project browser is more time consuming because it sometimes involves going through 1000+ views in a project and this will ALWAYS take longer than just clicking on a "maximize" button in a window that is already in your bottom left corner (that's the locations where all the previous versions or Revit stored minimized windows). Time spent searching through the project browser isn't very long, but over the course of a day and opening and closing different views 100+ times in a day it adds up, and it adds up in frustration even faster. 

What I don't understand is why did Autodesk decide to remove the minimize/maximize feature in the first place? Did users complain about this feature? Was this creating conflicts with other UI tools in Revit? Is it impossible to have the new TAB feature from Revit 2019, as well as the old,  minimize/maximize feature available at the same time? Thanks.

Anonymous

I'd just like to repeat that this new window tab/tile system is garbage. Whoever made this update, and whoever was supervising and said "Yeah, this is a good idea!" should lose their jobs. This is almost as dumb as changing the size of the 3/32" text causing everyone's standard notes, titleblocks, schedules, etc. to have to be revised to accomodate a new text size. Quit fixing stuff that isn't broken. If there's some sort of behind the scenes reason for why a change like this had to be implemented to improve Revit, like it reduces the number of fatal errors or whatever, then make that an upfront and well known reason for removing basic, standard features like the minimize/maximize window buttons. But as it is, this is just dumb. 

Contributor
Contributor

I do have to disagree with most of the comments here. The change has been to the correct direction (not perfect yet of course). But at last getting for example a 3D view to your other screen (even non-cropped perspective 3D, though the navigation wheel needs to go and be replaced with something usable) without flexing the whole Revit window is really great. And those view tabs on top are way more user friendly than the old way of using WT all the time. Sure I understand that you'd like to have only certain windows tiled and some minimized and hopefully that will be possible in the future also with this new layout.

Anonymous

@paavo.idman I stand by my earlier comments, just can't wrap my head around someone thinking removing minimize/maximize window features was a good idea, but glad to hear others are finding some benefits from the changes. I can't offer too much guidance on how to make it happen (this was implemented by the IT dept at a company I used to work for), but you can run Revit on multiple screens at once if you have the correct video card. I think the one we had was an Nvidia of some sort. If I remember correctly you still get to have all of your toolbars on each screen as well, but don't quote me on that. 

Also, have you tried using an xbox controller to navigate 3D views? I like the nav wheel personally, but the xbox controller is great when doing collaborative, non-VR walk throughs.

 

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

@paavo.idman There is no issue with the tabs addition. It's great that they have added this feature. There is also no issue with the ability to be able to pull out a window and maximize it on your other screen. No one here is complaining about the ADDED features. The issue is with the REMOVAL of the equally valuable feature (which was described in the previous posts). And there is absolutely no reason why you could not have both features available at the same time. 

 

Anonymous

So is Autodesk doing anything about this? 

Autodesk
Autodesk

We are hearing all of your feedback and appreciate all your time and comments on this issue. I hope we could understand the problems happened during your workflow and find correct solutions for the problems. Thank you for your valuable inputs!

Anonymous

I personally believe that the change to tab views in 2019/20 are one step forward and two backwards. It's slowing us down considerably

You can arrange the tabs beautifully in groups that won't stay that way because the locations/order of the tabs keep changing as you move through them. Awful. So no grouping tabs for me. 

I had to resort to open the 3D and all the floor plans in order to facilitate the flipping between floor plans but when you open the file the next day, Revit only opens the 3D and a random floor plan. Then you have to open them again in order to keep working. The starting view is set Last Viewed.

I am used to work with Revit stretched over two monitors, work on the floor plan on one screen with supporting views like sections, elevations, 3D views on the second screen visible at all times so I can quickly check, at a glance, the effect of the changes in 3D, sections or elevations. Double clicking the view would maximize the view and then back really quickly without losing the windows layout.Trying to emulate the same workflow in 2019 takes more effort and it's really annoying. It was quick to  cut a section, open it and then move it to the second screen. Now it feels more convoluted. Most people don't work in one maximized window at the time.

I was keen to install Revit 2020  hoping to see this issue fixed but I was disappointed that it wasn't addressed after reading so many complains in this regard.

Anonymous

Some people are very harsh in here.

 

My issue with the new system is to mass close tabs when multiple are open. I frequently have many views open just due to bouncing around the model and some times hit the command to tile windows to begin to locate my desired window. To close all the tabs you need one full screen. When I find the window I wish to keep open and to reduce processing power instead of double clicking - I now click then type TW - however in my mind this is one additional input as before I would just double click. 

Anonymous

Why ever did they change it? It used to work just like one would expect in the Windows environment, but now Autodesk decided to lose some basic functionality. Let's hope they fixed it in 2020!

Anonymous
No, unfortunately they didn't. I already checked.

Autodesk has made some other "improvements" that are taking as back. Like not showing the Local file in recent documents but the Central file.

Now we have to browse very time we want to open a local file as they rendered the recent files windows redundant. Change for the sake of change?


Anonymous
Enthusiast
Enthusiast

@Kitty.Ma One more interesting thing that I noticed is that if you WT multiple views, that also include a few schedules, and then decide to TW the schedule view, you can't do it. The workaround would be to TW a non-schedule view, then look through your open TABS and select the schedule view that you want to be maximized by clicking on it.

Anonymous

@sdijanovic To TW the schedule, you have to click in the top right grey/empty part of the ribbon first, then TW

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

@Anonymous Not sure what I'm doing wrong, but I can't get TW to work on schedule views. It works just fine all other views. By "top right grey/empty part of the ribbon" do you mean the area that I circled in the image below?

 

I'm just curious as I'm obviously missing something here and there might a setting somewhere I haven't looked at.

Thanks!

 

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Anonymous
Empty part of the Ribbon


Anonymous
What you circled is NOT the Ribbon. The Ribbon is where you find the panels with icons and command names.




Enthusiast
Enthusiast

@Anonymous Got it now. Thanks! It's not very intuitive to click completely outside of the schedule onto an empty Ribbon space, essentially deselecting the schedule, in order to maximize the very same thing you are deselecting. Not sure what the reasoning is in making schedule views behave differently from all the other views.

Anonymous

No not intuitive at all, it`s a hidden 'pro move' you can happily teach others.

 

There should be a way to optimize this UI, but I cannot think of one. The reason it does not work when you have the schedule selected is that schedule are made to enter information unlike 3d views. So you could easily type WT in a cell by accident. At least that is what I think is the reason.

Anonymous

Just opened Revit 2020 for the first time and have to agree with all of these posters: The loss of the maximize/minimize functions for individual views is seriously hampering our workflow. Please bring it back!

Anonymous

Why change something that was never broken at all? Especially when there are so many shortcomings in Revit. Couldn't you have spent the resources improving the extremely limited 3d modeling abilities of Revit? Or improve the awkward and limited stair creation? Really?

Anonymous

They broke it because they allowed us to put a window outside Revit.

Anonymous

So is there a set number of complaints that we need to reach to get Audodesk to agree to fix this? 

 

Saying "I hear your concerns" only works for so long. Now, you're just not doing your job.

Anonymous

You must be new around here, hahaha.

TBH, I`m thrilled if Autodesk solves a major problem within a year.

3-6-never is more of a standard timeline. Also, this only has 23 votes, they only take notice at 100+ votes and even then...

Anonymous

New to commenting on this, yes. Normally I just roll with the punches when there's an update I don't like and try to make whatever the work-around is, a muscle memory. But this one is just insane and still messes with me regularly. Hard to get the critical # of comments/votes when there are multiple threads complaining about the same thing.

 

Can I catch their attention by calling them a bunch of idiotic little bitches that need to get off their ****ing asses and fix their ****? 

 

Not entirely true, but maybe it'll get flagged and actually grab someones attention that isn't a complete moron and understands basic customer service.

Anonymous

You can politely point out duplicate threads and @ the right people to get their attention. They will combine, making the votes go up.

 

Don`t be mean, be concise and clear with your complaints. Being mean will make them ignore you, being rude may result in a block (?).

 

The goal is to get everyone voting and remind Autodesk about customer priorities. Even if thy are working on it, it takes at least 6 months to implement and deliver to customers. Basically expect the worse and hope for the best.

 

Unfortunately Autodesk has no real competition, so they don`t really listen to their customers.

Anonymous

I get what you're saying, I do.  .  . but for real, how hard is it to say,

 

"We will be addressing this in a future update / new version of Revit" 

 

or

 

"The overall view on this update has been positive, and we don't don't currently have any plans to further update window maximizing/minimizing features." 

 

Not worried about being blocked by Autodesk if it's common knowledge that they don't care what their customers say anyway.

Explorer
Explorer

Why change a useful feature for the sake of change? ? How do you test and approve this disruptive changes? It costs us the users thousands of dollars in time wasted with workarounds.

Upon recently utilising 2019 I was just shocked that minimise windows has been removed. I agree with others, this really slows me down and makes windows harder to view. Please bring it back

Observer
Observer

@Kitty.Ma Another example of why we wouldnt want to close tabs and just minimize them would be when editing families. We want to have family windows all together for each plan, elevation and 3d while editing in them but still maintain the project views that we were working in for plan/elevation section for example. To open these views up again and organize them in the tiling is time consuming if working in and out of families a lot.

Also, when working with detail or drafting views. We often have tons of different drafting views that may all start with the same naming convention and be long which would make us expand the browser to identify which ones we need. To have to keep expanding the project browser everytime we need to find the drafting views again to open is tedious.

In my experience, the TW shortcut works but not by default with my firms template so I'm guessing there is something in our template overriding that shortcut. We can obviously go in and edit the keyboard shortcut to adjust this, just letting others know in case they are having similar issue.

Anonymous

Yeah, the TW shortcut is default, so if it's not working, it's because your firm overrided it.

Anonymous

So was there a resolution found for this?  It's pretty tedious that you can't selectively maximize certain windows after the WT command.  Similar to the poster above who has all the views they want open at one time, but then is able to click and drag certain windows to make them larger as they see fit

 

Also, I'm curious, after using the WT command, if I want to close out of a window, the "X" for window closing jumps around based on how long the view's name is.  In Revit 2017 the "x" always stayed in the same spot so you can rapidly click and close out the views you didn't want.  you can't do that now because like I said, the "x" jumps around based on the views name

Anonymous

Have you tried using the 'close inactive view' button instead of multiple Xs? Much more efficient.

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

I'm not disagreeing with the option of "closing all inactive views" but this is an "all or nothing" workflow as in after you have WT views you have an option to TW one view and close all others, or keep everything maximized.

 

I'll try to explain where I find the current setup a bit cumbersome and not as flexible as before (of course, there are workarounds, but that's exactly what they are workarounds). This is just one of many examples. 

 

#1#1#2#2#3#3

Anonymous

Thank you sdijanovic!  that perfectly sums up my frustrations too

 

I've been using 2017, and since we just got a new project up and rolling I'm using 2020.  And yes, I now realize that you can't even minimize a window.  c'mon Autodesk!  AutoCAD does this all the time too where as you jump from year to year, they change the appearance of the command logos or colors, just to make it look more "flashy" but in essence makes things impossible to find if you become accustomed to a product bc you use it every day 

 

Its not the end of the world, I'll adapt, but I'm just dissapointed in Autodesk that the format was completely revamped by someone who I doubt is in the software every day, or is in the design field where time is of the essence.  

Collaborator
Collaborator

I have to agree with pretty much every statement made above, i'm completely lost with this change. 

 

I don't mind the commands being moved to the ribbon so much but the Maximise button needs to come back.

 

Can we have the Maximise button back on the individual tile windows after the Windows Tile command please.

Anonymous

As I just posted here - https://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?9250-Full-Screen-Revit&p=1345713&viewfull=1#post1345713 - it's 2020 and we still need that for at least R18 and R19. Autodesk HAVE NOT MOVED A FINGER on this issue. We need a shortcut toggle to switch between full screen and back to normal view with all ribbon tabs etc. Jesus, do Autodesk even care 1 bit about their users???

Anonymous

Just to add to the chorus so Autodesk will hear another voice: 

Please reinstate the functionality whereby I can Maximize a View within the View Window area - so that it covers all open Views but does not take up the whole application window thereby hiding the menus, ribbon, Browser, Properties and status bar etc. The previous operation has been a fundamentally good and simple way of working for a decade or more, but now it has been changed - for the worse. This is a workflow I use all day every day and it is now painful. Was this change the result of user requests? Whoever designed and approved this improvement clearly does not use Revit in the way I and my colleagues do. Yes, the tabbing feature is a good improvement, but please revert the Maximize command to work on the View Window area again and not on the whole application window. I would be happy to do a share screen and discuss this with someone from Autodesk if that might aid your understanding of the problem that has been created here.

Thanking you in advance.

Anthony 

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

Gotta ask, does autodesk have actual architects and engineers on staff to ask questions and bounce ideas off of? They must not. And if they do, they need to be replaced with some new ones. I mean some of the changes they make just make no sense at all

Collaborator
Collaborator

Having thought about it, i believe the maximise command is now permanently working as if the window is on a secondary screen rather than the main one with the ribbon.

 

Just needs a check adding to the code to see whether the window in question is on the primary monitor and then either go full screen or fit to the window as appropriate.

Participant
Participant

Absolutely return to the double click window tab to enlarge. Having to click and then type TW to enlarge the window adds another few steps, makes no sense and is an uninformed change---LISTEN TO YOUR USERS not some programmer who is adding extra steps to professionals workflow because they don't listen to the people who make a living using your products.  Uninformed programmers will turn Revit into another AutoCAD, a big creaky mess.


Another frustrated user here!

It's really weird Autodesk still hasn't returned this function yet.
Obviously, there are a lot of us that would like to have hide/min/max buttons back on the tabbed windows.
Simply because when I use tiled widows, I often have them in a particular sequence, if for some reason I need it in full screen mode I just used to double click on that tiled window. when I'm done I just double clicked it again and it returned to the tiled view maintaining the sequence I had it in.

To explain in more depth. I basicly arrange my views according to the European ISO standard:

1st quadrant window are tabbed elevation and section views
perpendicular to the 3rd quadrant window.

2nd quadrant windows (located left to the 1st quadrant windows):
Are 3d Views (sometimes even multiple tabbed 3D views combined with section boxes).

3rd quadrant windows is the Floor plan (located below the 1st quadrant windows)
(sometimes even tabbed with an actual floor plan view and also a rotated section view so I don't need to change the view range each time I need to cut through a certain height on the floor plan.



4th quadrant window (located left of the 3rd quadrant windows):
Section views perpendicular to the 3rd quadrant window

This way I can navigate/model really fast through my entire model and don't need to be creating lots of multiple temporary section views. Because now I just need to move whatever section to whatever location.
And also switches back and forth between full/tabbed screen per view while retaining the sequence of the tabbed view.

And now you guys irritatingly took that away.
I still use my method but now I have to perform extra steps and clicks to achieve the same results, and takes up a lot of time.
I'd just say, simply put this feature and behavior of Windows back. They who need will use it, they who don't won't.
But at least put this back already. Users have been asking for this feature to come back since you guys took it away.
This is really frustrating and irritating!!!

Also would like to ask where the feature request is on this forum.
So we can all support for this feature to be back for all future releases.