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Infill - Yes or No option

Surprised this is not on the idea list already.

 

We need the ability to have the infill be a yes or no parameter when demolishing a window or door.  When a door or window is placed in the same spot, the infill will remain.  The only way of getting around this currently is to create a wall in the same place as the door or window and demolish the wall so you are left with an opening.  Then you can place a new wall with the size of door or window needed.  If we had the ability to select yes or no for the infill, those extra steps would be eliminated.

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Advisor
Advisor

Ideally we would be able to select a infill wall type as well.

Anonymous

genius +1

Mentor
Mentor

What they should do is rework the walls....on a competitor software a similar concept to the following is applied...

  1. demolish an insert (hosted family which usually includes the cut host element built in within the same family)
  2. software prompts user

option 1: Should XX edit host profile to preserve opening created by insert

option 2: Should XX replace host cut with infill of the same type and properties <states current/existing host name>

 

User er checks box and clicks ok! Done (XX is the software lol ... Not stating so they won't say I'm marketing it lol)

 

im still gonna got it up for you although I'm am happy with how it currently works in REVIT :cara_con_la_lengua_fuera: (just cuz u tagged me in that prehistoric post...ps: in some sort of way, I hope Scotty doesn't miss u any of us down here...I'm pretty sure he is looking down and laughing at us all ... We and REVIT

Autodesk
Autodesk
El estado se ha cambiado a: Under Review

Thanks for your submission and votes on this idea!  We are evaluating where this request falls into our roadmap and will provide an update when we have made a decision. 

 

The Factory

Anonymous

One of our architects would like the option to determine in what phase the hole gets filled.

Anonymous

Two additional problems with infills:

 

 

  • The dashed lines do not show up in elevation
  • The dashed lines are not apparent at the edges of the wall as shown below in red

Infill Edge.jpg

 

Contributor
Contributor

You can all ready avoid this problem by not using the Revit phasing but to use project parameters to demolish or replace objects.

If you "demolish" objects you can also use this in groups (object phasing isn't saved to groups).

 

This is workable but if it was standard Revit that would be better.

Anonymous

Let us choose if we want something infilled or not when demolishing window/door.  Automatically infilling causes a whole mess that is hard to correct.  Often times we don't want something to be infilled and removing that infill in Revit is currently not an option.  We have to do a ton of work arounds to get simple demo actions to look correct in both the demo plans and new floor plans.

Anonymous

Do a search before posting ideas....

 

I've had this idea for over 2 years...  

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/infill-yes-or-no-option/idi-p/6473443

Anonymous

Wouldn't it be easier if there were no automatic infills at all.  All they are good for is to host new windows/doors in (so when you are replacing an old window with a new). Because if you actually want to infill something, it's almost never with the same wall type as the host. For example an existing door in a brick wall will be filled in with gyp wall (or another type of brick).

 

If windows and doors (and other hosted elements) could be hosted in the openings on a wall that would solve the need for infills and also make the whole hosting process a little bit more lenient.

 

So I would suggest:

1) get rid of infills

2) make sure we can host stuff in openings as well

 

 

Anonymous

i agree infills are very confusing. i agree hosting families in existing openings would be much better

Anonymous

Hi from Hamburg!
If I want to demolish an existing door (/window/voids) in my new phase, I would like to have this option in Revit with two parameters or questions like this:

1. Existing door demolished but the existing opening stays. (Because in new phase we want to use this door's opening)

2. Existing door demolished and his opening will be filled with a wall from new phase. (Because in new phase we don't want anymore this opening)

I'm dreaming about it...

 

Thanks.

Anonymous

How do you demo an empty void/hole in a wall, without having to build a new "wall"/solid?

 

Its kinda like trying to fill a hole in the ground by digging the air out of it....

If you hide a void form from a view, should it then become solid?

 

 

Advocate
Advocate

Forget about "void/hole" and concentrate on doors/windows.

Collaborator
Collaborator

I like infill, especially feature of type changing, but main problem when you put new window/door at the same place and same size you get error massage that instance not cutting anything and it force to delete instance. This is very anoing error because it can be popup sadenly when you edit some property of already placed windows or hosted wall.

Contributor
Contributor

Graphisoft's ArchiCAD has enabled showing/not showing and graphical overrides of automatic infill of demolished openings for years- perhaps more years than this suggestion has been sitting here "Under Review".

 

I'll keep searching for workarounds here, but the current Revit behavior when demolishing openings seems undeveloped since initial releases. I need development on this kind of feature before things like Generative Design.

This type of development is the bread and butter of what we subscription users need and pay for year after year.

Contributor
Contributor

Ran out of time to edit previous comment, so here is updated sentiment:

Looks like you can hide the infill wall in view, manually (tab to select in your demo plan). And you can change the type of the infill wall if need be. 

It would be helpful to enable the infill wall to have phasing independent from the original wall. It shows as new in the phase it was demolished, but I've found I need a "New Work Phase - DEMO" and "New Work Phase - NEW" to be able to separate existing vs new rooms. So in lieu of infill wall phase independence, I'd like to be able to demo rooms, though enabling both would be best.

 

I had written a more critical comment here previously, then discovered how infill wall manipulation is enabled.

Now I'm wondering if Autodesk manages these improvement idea forums to address solutions that have been implemented. Would be helpful if this kind of thread could be resolved so folks like me looking for solutions don't get the idea that there are none.

Advisor
Advisor

@GraphOnto  

 

I think most people voting for this idea realized that they can hide-in-view the infill, but that doesn't remove it from the model. It will still show up in any other view, in schedules, in exports (depending on the view), files it's linked into, etc. On top of that, it's still there, so it could still cause joining conflicts, hosting conflicts, issues with design options, ... 

 

For all those reasons, "hiding-in-view" isn't a good solution (unfortunately, no good solution exists today for getting rid of infills, hence this idea).

 

 

Contributor
Contributor

@pieter1 

Agree there's no solution to this yet, just workarounds. Thanks for clarifying.

I'm a long time ArchiCAD user at a new job making the switch, and just getting into the phasing functionality, etc.

 

The automatic infill functions didn't work perfectly (maximally flexible/sensible) in ArchiCAD either, but I'm surprised that with the massively larger user base in Revit that this hasn't received more attention.

Advisor
Advisor

Yeah...we're as surprised as you are probably :cara_guiñando_un_ojo:

 

It's great to have former Archicad users here chiming in as well, brings new perspectives to the table.

 

 

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

Why to have an automatic filling at all?

Revit would not auto-fill openings in floor and roof from a demolished shaft. So why does it auto-fill openings from demolished door and windows?

In real life the most wall openings are not filled with the same structure as the original wall.

Auto-fill in demolished openings in walls should have been taken off as an automatic reaction. Instead it should be replaced with an option to adapt/adjust/fit new walls and structural frames to remaining openings.

 

 

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

@Anonymous 

A great solution you can try till Autodesk resolve this issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltsKR7MdSr8&feature=emb_logo

 

 

 

El estado se ha cambiado a: Gathering Support

We are updating this thread to Gathering Support. We are continuing to evaluate where this request falls into our roadmap and will provide an update when we have made a decision. 

 

The Factory

Community Visitor
Community Visitor

It is kind of sad that more than 4 years after this idea was originally posted, Autodesk recognizes it as "gathering support".


It's not: "yeah, we're working on that" or "we'll put it on our roadmap".

 

No, it's 4 years and then: "maybe we'll develop it and maybe we won't".

 

Collaborator
Collaborator

Ha-ha, please stand by without any explanations...

Maybe your grandson will get this feature in future.

Advocate
Advocate

330 Votes and still?

I can't understand this is back to gathering support and has been under Review before

It is clearly one of the tool implementations in Revit that are a thousand miles away from real life.

This would make such a HUGE change and while working on Walls make so much sense to remove it.

Contributor
Contributor

YES! Make Revit reflect actual demolishing!

 

Also, option 2, with automatical infill, needs to be massively improved:

  1. The infill wall needs phase information. Today it’s neither part of existing nor new phase when they in fact should belong to new phase.
  2. The infill lacks Base/Top Constraint, Base/Top offset/Unconnected Height. (The only reporting quantity parameter is Area.)
  3. The wall placement within the exterior/interior side of the host wall is limited. You can only constrain it to the location line options. Any other offset is impossible.
  4. The boundary line between host wall and infill wall is invisible. This makes it nearly impossible to dimension the new infill wall if it has the same thickness as the host wall.

All of the above points makes these infills a nightmare to schedule, dimension and check.

Found that if the door has both voids and openings making the hole in the wall it doesn't auto infill the (host) wall. Found this trying to make voids work on joined walls.

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Enthusiast
Enthusiast

Please add me / our practice to the 'yes please' list.  With us working on refurb projects in conjunction with external consultants, we need to ensure that the model is correct, therefore cannot utilise filters to control some views.

 

Yes, there are workarounds but that is just a waste of our time, when a simple tick box could resolve the issue.

Collaborator
Collaborator

@kimberly_fuhrman-jones  This idea should be combined with the earlier posted idea: https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/infill-yes-or-no-option/idi-p/6473443#comments  Thank you!