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Print window

I'm sure someone must have already submitted this but I could not find it.

I'm not a fan of the print "visible portion of current window" option. I'd love a print window similar to Autocad. 

There's too much back and forth between the print dialog and the view window to get the desired area to print.

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Anonymous

I agree, it's not well implemented.

I have taken to using the Greenshot Screen capture tool for this. it lets you select a specific region and send it straight to the printer.
however this is still only good for discussion and communication, not for sketching over as it's not to scale. 

Participant
Participant

Printing:

 

For meetings it is often required to print a certain scaled section of a view in A4 or A3 format. Scaling is no problem here. The problem is the selection of the print area.

Unfortunately it is not possible to select a certain area for printing (only if you reduce Revit to the suitable page ratio and then play around with the zoom factor in order to show everything you need on your printout).

 

The option to select a print area (window) like in Autocad is missing.

 

Contributor
Contributor

Every program in windows allows you to print window except Revit!!

Anonymous

Yes, agree, it is needed, would make my workflow of digital markups so much faster & easier. 

Anonymous

This already exists...as part of the program anyway.

 

You have to unmaximize (Restore Down) a window within Revit and adjust the window to what you want to print.   That way when you use the "Visibile portion of current Window" it will be just that part of the window.  When a window is maximized it is set to the entire view and you will get everything based on the scale you are wanting to print.

 

Contributor
Contributor
I am well aware of having to reshape the window get a "print window". The print window I'm referring to is in almost every other program.

Randall Smith
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Contributor
I am well aware of having to reshape the window get a "print window". The print window I'm referring to is in almost every other program.

Randall Smith
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@Anonymous

That's what I was talking about when I wrote "too much back and forth". It's ridiculously complicated to try to do something that is easily achievable in all sorts of other software!  

Advocate
Advocate

The famous question: "If Autocad can do it, why can't Revit?" I have so many ex-Autocad users asking why they can't drag a print window in a view. (Yes we know you can zoom in and print visible, but it's quirky, changes based on scale etc.) They want more control over how much they want to print of a specific view.

 

 

Anonymous

You should also know that this idea was posted last year...

 

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/print-window/idi-p/6473348

 

Your 12 votes could have been added to one that was at 75 votes...

 

 

Contributor
Contributor

We would like to plot any portion of the drawing with specify the two corners of the area like an AutoCAD print option.

Participant
Participant

YES! 

Advocate
Advocate
Make sure to add kudos to ideas you want considered!

Thank you,
-R
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Oh, I do!
Anonymous

this is really annoying and not accurate but i have way to do it with more accuracy
restore the window this adjust its size like A3 paper and zoom to the part you need to print
then from print dialog choose visible portion of current window
this method is accurate enough for me but it will be great if we have the option to select print area with window like autocad

 

 

A3 print.JPG

Anonymous

also if you use the crop view parameter on view properties window, you can zoom on the part you want to print and use the current window option in the print dialog and this will work also but with with too much work
still adding the window option like autocad is a great idea

 

Advisor
Advisor

This Idea has been brought up so many times, I think people have given up on it.

Why, oh Why, it it so hard to just add a "pick Window" option to the Print dialog?

Besides the fact that it's clumsy and non-intuitive, Print Visible Portion does NOT Print the Visible Portion of your Window.

Print Visible Portion does set the lower left corner of your "Print Window", but it completely ignores the upper right..

Try it! Go ahead and print (or Preview) a Visible Portion. Then drag the upper right corner of your Window to make it larger or smaller.

Print Visible again, and you'll get exactly the same results.

Print Visible Portion uses the lower left corner of your Window as the lower left corner of the print, but the upper right corner is set by the Paper Size, NOT by the - how do you say - Visible Portion of the Window!

 

Let's say I wanted to print just the 4 Interior Elevations of a Room that are on a Sheet next to each other. Can't do it.

I can zoom around until I get one of them at the bottom, but I'm also going to print whatever else fits on my Letter-size page

Collaborator
Collaborator

@Anonymous

"This already exists...as part of the program anyway.

 

You have to unmaximize (Restore Down) a window within Revit and adjust the window to what you want to print.   That way when you use the "Visibile portion of current Window" it will be just that part of the window.  When a window is maximized it is set to the entire view and you will get everything based on the scale you are wanting to print."

 

I tried exactly this before I even read your comment and it didn't work.  I'm still getting the crap on the rest of the sheet and not just the portion of the sheet I want (which incorporates two different views so I can't do it by just opening a view by itself).  

Anonymous

@kgatzke What version of Revit are you using?  I'm on 2017.2 and it still works the way it is supposed to.

Be sure you are zooming in on the window to see only what  you want to see...also you may have to adjust your scaling.

Unless you use "fit to page" it will still print to the scale set in the view.  So if you are printing to an 11x17 for example and your sheet is a 24x36 you will get almost half of your sheet on the 11x17 .

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@Anonymous

I'm on a project stuck in 2016.  I'll try this in 2018 when I get back to the other projects.  I was trying to print single views to 8-1/2x11 for a submittal reply.

Contributor
Contributor

@kgatzke @Anonymous

This can be done in 2016 version too. The intention of my original post was that it is too cumbersome and adding a print window selection tool would simplify matters tenfold. 

Autodesk Support
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Contributor

This work around to print "window" will no longer work with 2019. With the tabs, you can't change the view size. So not only have they not added a print window functionality, they took away the one work around that we did have!!

Anonymous

@beriock...still works in 2019...just untab the window and adjust accordingly.

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Contributor

I have only found 2 ways to untab a view, have multiple views open and tile them, and to drag the view to another monitor. either way, its a work around to get to a work around.

Advocate
Advocate

 @Anonymous, this solution doesn't work as described unless there is a step unmentioned. 

 

See attached images below for the attempt vs. result using print visible.

Let me know if you're seeing something I'm not. 

 

actual print with windowed view.PNGportion I would like to print at scale.PNGattempted print with full screen view.PNGprint with full screen view.PNGattempted print with windowed view.PNG

Anonymous

@RichConyers  If you print to a scale, it will still print outside of the window if it will fit on the paper or it will zoom in more if the paper is not large enough.  Fit to Page will print exactly what is on the screen/window.

 

@beriock This isn't a workaround....it is how Revit has worked for years.  If you are just used to AutoCAD and ArchiCAD then I can see that you think it is.  But Revit is not either one of those programs so it has a different UI on how things work.  Also, just drag the tab down...it doesn't have to go to another screen.

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I am familiar how revit works, have been using it since release 2. Just because that is how something is, doesn't mean it isn't a problem. and yes it is a work around. just about all of the programs that i use have had a "get window" "print window" for well over a decade except Revit. 

Advocate
Advocate

@Anonymous @beriock 

This is obviously an issue as multiple people are complaining about the functionality. The print to visible is not accurate. That is literally the complaint of this thread. @mpwuzhere, if you have an actual solution please contribute, but if you're just here to tell people they don't know how a program works because they would prefer it work better, then your comments are not relevant to the thread. 

 

Cheers,

Rich

Anonymous

@RichConyers how is it not accurate?  If I print to a specific scale to a certain size sheet it will print just that centered on what my window is set at.  Technically I don't have to change the window itself, as it just grabs the window and I zoom in on where it wants to be.  It will print with a priority of what is centered  in my view to what the paper size is.

 

So here is a screencast: https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit-products/getting-started/caas/screencast/Main/Details/e...

 

Printing to a regular full size sheet, then zooming in on a plan and printing at 200%(1:50), then zooming in and printing just the room legend scaled to fit.   It does what it is supposed to do.   

 

Now...if the complaint is that it still prints outside of the crop region/window...well yeah, a window is endless, there are no boundaries.   You are printing a window.  The only way you can print "exactly what is shown on the window" is "fit to page" then what's the point in that?  It's not to scale and you are better off using the snipping tool.

 

@beriock...Version 2 eh?  And you didn't know about this?  Revit was its own program back then, not even Autodesk related except for the fact that the designers used ADT.  It couldn't look exactly like other programs, Autodesk would have sued for copyright infringement.  Look at ArchiCAD, it doesn't have a "print to window" either.  You have to create a flashing crop region and print to the region.

 

But it has been almost exactly 2 years since this idea was submitted and it has only 200 votes and still "gathering support"...well, it had 199, I just evened it out with my vote.  I don't see this one making the Road Map...surprised it is still open.

 

Contributor
Contributor

We the people want to print a window within 1 second. We don't want to play around with minimizing and resizing windows. The video illustrates more perfectly than I could describe the cumbersomeness of the workaround. And I very definitely consider it a workaround. 

Anonymous

@lonerganjeff yeah, my trackball mouse was sticking.

Participant
Participant
EXACTLY! Sometimes I only want a small portion so I can write in the margins. Sometimes it's hard to get it centered just right. How difficult is this concept to understand?
Participant
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Apparently, they are not listening!
Autodesk Support
Autodesk Support

We are listening!Emoticono feliz

 

Thank you all for your feedback. We have a dedicated team looking at the issues.

 

If you can also share screencasts, comparable images and what feature you are looking for, or anything additional to help the print job, that would greatly benefit and help push this idea.

 

Regards,

Viveka

Advisor
Advisor

Here's one example of where a Print Window would be useful:

I want to show a client a PDF of the elevations of all 4 walls in a Room.

I already have a Sheet full of Interior Elevations. All 4 of the Elevations are on the Sheet right next to each other.

I can't place those 4 Elevations on another Sheet without either taking them off the Sheet, or Duplicating the Views.

I "could use the "Print Visible portion" print option, but if I do, I also get all the other Views on that Sheet - or at least what fits on the "page size". That is confusing to the client, and also looks unprofessional. The "extra" views nearly always get chopped off where they hit the margins

 

Advocate
Advocate

@Viveka_CD It seems incredibly clear that not only are a vast number of people seeking this solution (ironically not a new solution, one that already exists in AutoCAD) but they have been asking almost since Revit was released. Is there someone who would make a direct statement about where this solution is on the road map and why an already existing Autodesk solution is taking so long to make it into a parrallel program (at least regarding printing). 

 

Thank You for your responses, I'm sure we are all glad this is getting some attention. 

 

Cheers,

Rich C.

Advisor
Advisor

Sorry, Rich, but this one of my pet peeves.

The fact that something exists in AutoCAD has NOTHING to do with Revit.

The two programs have completely different code bases - not to mention development teams.

When people say "You've already got it", it's like saying Honda has a great transmission on their motorcycles, why can't I have it for my minivan?

 

That said; regarding the Print Window; I think a more valid argument is that this feature already exists IN REVIT.

The Print Visible Portion does create a print window.  It's just that the window is defined by the page margins.

All that's needed is the user input of the crop window. And there are lots of other ways to select a window in Revit.

Advisor
Advisor

for the guys at Autodesk.

Print window(Bottom Left) screen shot below from AutoCAD . Also need the Plot scale feature(Middle bottom) so a 1:100(DS-Drawing Scale) can be printed 1:1(PS-Plot Scale). With display method a 1:100(DS) plots 1:99 or 1:101... when you measure something with a scaled rule.

There also a number of tutorials on youtube. Or get anyone familiar with printing in AutoCAD give you a demonstration on how this all works.

Print Window.jpg

Participant
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I am married to a programmer, so I understand your point about them not being the same code. However, it is important to note that the AutoCAD version of print window works well whereas the Revit version is not equivalent. It is awkward, clumsy, are requires trial and error. The people who design the software are not the people that use the software. It appears they have no clue why we would only want to print ONLY a small portion of a sheet with out extra parts hanging out along the edges.
Advocate
Advocate

@dplumb_BWBR, I understand that the programs were build on two separate coding platforms. My statement was not about copying the code, it was an illustration that a printing feature in Autocad developed LONG ago has not made its way to Revit even with significant requests from users. This is not modeling issues or carrying shared parametric information level stuff. Printing specific information in a view is a fairly simple solution, and as I remarked previously, one they have figured out in a parallel program previously. Your analogy would be closer to comparing a quad transmission to a motorcycle (which is much closer that a minivan)  :).  

Anonymous

As in autocad, adding the window option under the what to plot menu on the print screen will be a great convenience.

Anonymous

A search prior to posting would have been a good idea....

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/print-window/idi-p/6473348?advanced=false&collapse_discus...

 

Personally...while the print by window does exist (but is a pain in the....) I like to use the snipping tool in Windows and grab a screenshot and print that.

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

Implementing this would be appreciated by a lot of people, it's a very common part of a normal workflow.

The "visible portion of current window" option is the solution to a problem that simply doesn't exist.

Contributor
Contributor
It does not work well at all.
Example. I want to print what is shown in the window.
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Preview of what it actually wants to print.
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Window selection like a lot of other software would solve this.
Explorer
Explorer

These seems like something that should have happened already, but PLEASE add a Print Window to REVIT

Advisor
Advisor

@kimberly_fuhrman-jones please combine with Print window - Autodesk Community

 

@kmillerZ32ZW  - For interest pre Revit ideas, people used to use AUGI. This been requested since Revit 6.0 in 2004 (OVER 20 YEARS AGO)https://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?4147-Plot-Print-Window&highlight=print+window

 

My comment on the second page of the idea asking Kimberly to combine with

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