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Allow Shared Parameter in a Key Schedule

Currently one cannot add a shared parameter to a key schedule.  We need ability to add them and control their values from the Key schedule.

Comentarios

Totally agree, very limiting especially with the new calculated values in tags.

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

Ability to add shared parameters to keyschedules instead off having to use the system parameters like comments,...

This way we can tag the information added in the keyschedules.

 

 

Advisor
Advisor
Autodesk
Autodesk
El estado se ha cambiado a: Under Review

Thanks for your submission and votes on this idea!  We are evaluating where this request falls into our roadmap and will provide an update when we have made a decision.

 

The Factory

Advocate
Advocate

I can't up vote this enough.  This would be amazing to streamline the ability to calculate and tag room occupancies.

Advisor
Advisor

Currently, if you use a schedule key, you cannot use a shared parameter with it.

This is a big limtation, we use Schedule keys all the time (for room finishes), but run out of parameters to use.

Its frustrating when halfway through a design you find out you need to add an adidtional parameter to the key, but there is not a space one to use.

Making the Schedule key work with shared parameters would make Revit more consistant.

Advisor
Advisor

There's already an idea like this: http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/revit-allow-shared-parameter-in-a-key-schedule/idi-p/62546...

 

Please add your vote there.

 

It's one of the highest ranked ideas and Autodesk is reviewing it.

Advisor
Advisor

Yea, I found that after I'd posted this... I've voted for it now.

Collaborator
Collaborator

This would be very helpful for many things, especially with the ability to show calculated parameters in tags.  Key schedules are great for standardizing information, but often that information needs to be displayed outside a schedule.

  • Finish groups in apartment complexes
  • Occupancy types for rooms and areas (Assembly, /Occupant or /Unit text to a tag, etc.)
  • Abbreviated names of rooms or spaces
Anonymous

Expanding on this: can we have the ability to revise instantly the shared parameters themselves without third party apps?

Contributor
Contributor

Adding the ability to include calculated values in tags feels like a near miss when we still do not have the ability to use shared parameters in key schedules.  

Anonymous

Question: if the Shared Parameter is defined in a Family, and also in a Schedule Key, which one wins?

There is no race, shared parameters can't be accessed in key schedules in any form. That is the issue.

Kyle Swanson
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Anonymous

I submitted this idea as well. Having the ability to use Shared Parameters in a Key Schedule is a must. Calculated Values to Tags is pretty useless without enabling this feature.

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

Adding my support for this one. Was excited to use a calculated value in a tag, for occupancy calculations, but without the ability to tie it to the occupancy load factors in my key schedule - no can do :cara_de_decepción:  Thanks!

Collaborator
Collaborator

@Anonymous First of all the issue of what would happen if a shared parameter is defined in both a shared parameter and in a family only applies to all non-system families where you can add a formula.  As with anything else being transferred, I'd see the project information as overruling any in the project. Ideally, when trying to add a shared parameter controlled by a formula in a family Revit would give you a warning that the shared parameter is defined elsewhere.  It would then either:

  • Not allow the shared parameter to be added to the key schedule while controlled by a formula
  • (Preferred) Have additional warning dialogue text stating "If you continue _____ parameter will be overridden"  After clicking "OK" it would allow the parameter to be added and would add an asterisk to the model name or highlight the parameter field in some way, with the hoover text "this parameter is being controlled by a  key schedule".  If the family is edited or put in another project without that key schedule it will revert to having the shared parameter be controlled by the formula
Anonymous

This Idea is under review from ‎07-01-2016 08:52 PM. Why does it take so long to evaluate and make decision? ...almost 11 months !?...

Anonymous

Hi, how long are you planning to review this idea? ...

Participant
Participant

Hi, that would be absolutely brilliant!

Only to give one example from a previous experience in case it helps Autodesk:

 

The goal was be to be able to control door Ironmongery visibility parameters on the door families (such as kick and push plate; lever, pull handle and/or push bar; euro lock, thumb turn or occupancy signage; WC and/or statutory signage, etc) through the Ironmongery Set (key) schedule, which could even be linked to an external excel file.

 

 

 

In the beginning it was ok to control it through door schedules but once the number of doors on the project surpassed the couple of thousands then it became a bit harder to handle it. I initially had the idea to create a few basic hardware sets inside the family with the ability to override it by instance if needed (see image), but then the number of sets started increasing rapidly and suddenly that approach was no longer enough.

 

Door family parameters table.JPGI then considered creating dummy "yes/no" text parameters on the key schedule (only parameter type allowed) and then match the family parameters to them through dynamo, but it would became too messy down the road, ending up being a bigger problem than actually started with.

 

If we had the power to control more than "dummy" text parameters on a family through a key schedule, that would be powerful! Those specific parameters could then all be instance so to avoid conflicts, not a problem. But ideally type would override type and instance would override instance. It could work as sort of a "Global Parameters Set" with "sub-parameters" associated to it.

 

Or else to be able to have those "parameter sets" or key schedules inside the families to control a set of parameters at once would also be great and save huge time...

 

I hope I made any sense.... :cara_asombrada:

 

 

 

Contributor
Contributor

A thousand times yes to this idea.

Advisor
Advisor

It would also be interesting if we could add a key and populate its values from within the properties panel.

 

Say I have window families with height and width being an instance property. If shared parameters for keyschedules would be allowed, I could preset some values in the keyschedule to have consistent window sizing.

 

However, when I have an off size window, I would love to have an option 'create key based on this element'. This could for example be an example in the key dropdown. That way, we could populate a key schedule based on the elements and wouldn't have to retype values in the keyschedule

 

 

Collaborator
Collaborator
This idea was the highest voted at the BILT NA 2017 conference. Thanks Sasha for having a voting board there with idea from this board.
Participant
Participant

Still a great idea.  Can't wait for it to be implemented.

Anonymous

@sasha.crotty Any update on this? Been under review for almot 2 years as 12th most popular idea.

Advocate
Advocate

I would absolutely love to be able to do this for Hardware Groups on doors. Key Lists are simply incomplete without the possibility of showing the values on plans. Either be able to Tag Project parameters or be able to use a project based Key List on a Shared Parameter.

It would avoid needing one parameter for the Key List data population and another with the same value just to be able to Tag it.

 

Absolutely a big wish for Revit, silly that it's not yet possible.

Participant
Participant
Agreed! Hardware groups would be one of the many uses. I hope Autodesk can
move this up the priority list.
Observer
Observer

Tagging of areas and calculated values from keys for a Code Review plan would be a HUGE use for this ... still waiting ...

Explorer
Explorer

This issue has been around since 2006,  When planning workflow and process this and calculated values in tags are stumbling blocks that require 3rd party workarounds that don't keep data live.  Would be a great help.      

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

Cannot say enough about this need for ability to add calculated values to tags. Without the need for Dynamo or Add-ins that go away. Can't vote this up enough. 

Participant
Participant
Someday, maybe.
Anonymous

3 years, still the same...

Participant
Participant
Maybe 2019....

 Anyone got any idea how long this has been 'under review'?

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

Seriously.  Why has this not been accomplished yet, or at least addressed as to why not??

Anonymous

Will it ever get solved? This would make my day! 

Advocate
Advocate

Why is this not a thing? I thought surely I was simply doing something wrong. Though I'm only getting started in familiarity with shared parameters, I can't think of any reason why they can't be used in key schedules. Please, Autodesk, add this functionality.

Anonymous

So I went through this exercise I dreamed up to make it easier to create window and door schedules... only to be foiled right at the end when I couldn't find a way to schedule shared parameters in the key schedule. Turns out it's not me. It's Revit. :cara_de_decepción:

 

For a product that bills itself as a premiere BIM application it sure is lacking a lot of internal connectivity between the various sets of data that we generate. Please consider prioritising these features.

 

cheers,

-tomek

Hello,

First of all, thank you for gret job you are doing.

But it is bizzare that this topic is not solved yet, it would be really very helpfull...

Participant
Participant
Great job on keeping positive instead of just complaining! Your post kind of changed my tone on this Monday morning. Revit makes my job a lot easier, and I appreciate that. This topic would just make Revit better and make my job even easier.
Participant
Participant

Dear Autodesk-Developers, please make this happen!

Explorer
Explorer

´pleaase pls pls pls pls pls

Participant
Participant

The most needed for me is to be able to create the parameters for Key Schedules from API. At this moment the Revit API is unable to create project parameters. There is a discussion about that here:

 

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-api-forum/create-project-parameter-not-shared-parameter/td-p/51...

 

It would be great to have at least one solution of these two:

1 - Key Schedules allow shared parameters

2 - Project parameters can be created from Revit API

 

Without one of them, it´s impossible to create Key Schedules through Revit API including their parameters.

Anonymous

2019 is out and the first thing I tried was checking to see if I can create Key Schedule from shared parameters, and no luck yet.

How long, exactly how long is that going to take?? Is there at least an add on we could purchase to do the the job?

Very very frustrating for door schedules.

Please Autodesk, please do something about it...

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

You might get it before fire tape. Fire tape is often required by many AHJ, AHCA, and is an NFPA standard and the still refuse to provide that ability.   

Anonymous

Seriously. Is this not resolved yet? It's 2018. This should have been possible in 20..... like more than 15 years ago when Revit began putting the I into BIM.

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

Take a look at this new tool on Revit Store:

 

123 Search

 

It solves this problem and many more.

I'm not looking to pay more money to have Shared Parameters in Key Schedules thanks.  This should be a basic function of Revit.

Anonymous
Yup. While I appreciate that there is an ecosystem built around Revit as a platform and that there are many developers who produce some good apps that supplement Revit, I do no appreciate that Revit is missing some really basic functionality.

Keynotes? I have to edit them in a text file? Really? The list is long and tedious...

-t
Anonymous



Hi   , 

123 Search seems like a potentially powerful tool. I like the look of your work. However if I can't understand how to use it from the videos you've created (even if I can work it out) how am I meant to explain to less experience users how to create and edit the information they need in order to make Key Schedules flexible.

I'm quite sad that this is not a workable solution. Autodesk just need to 'come to the party' already!!!!!

 

 

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

This is suuuuuuuper useful!!!

We need asap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

The use of shared parameters for Schedule Keys will give us the ability to have one Pipe Type and force drop-down selection of rating of pipe type with fittings (Heavy Duty, Medium Duty, SCH 40, SCH 50) for one huge run of piping with sections of it changing with its pressure rating.

 

Or select from a dropdown list where these pipes are mounted for installation rates calculation on export.

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

The use of shared parameters for Schedule Keys will give us the ability to have one Pipe Type and force drop-down selection of rating of pipe type with fittings (Heavy Duty, Medium Duty, SCH 40, SCH 50) for one huge run of piping with sections of it changing with its pressure rating.

Or select from a dropdown list where these pipes are mounted for installation rates calculation on export.

Anonymous

2/10 of the top request have been solved and this is the 11th most voted idea. So technically it is the 9th most voted ideas that has not been implemented.

 

What is taking so long for a response? the programming workflow is pretty much useless without this functionality.

@harlan_brumm @sasha.crotty 

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

All,

Just looked over the Revit 2019 roadmap.

 

There seems no mention of of this.

http://blogs.autodesk.com/revit/2019/01/23/revit-public-roadmap-january-2019/

 

Sad day

Anonymous

This was submitted mid-2016. It`s pretty sad that Autodesk is so disconnected from it`s customer`s repeated basic requests.

 

They create a whole system for us to provide feedback and then wait 3+ years to not react to it. Maybe in another 3 years? Emoticono frustrado

Participant
Participant

I would make all my family vote about this if I could. Would enormouslly improve the template capabilities

Explorer
Explorer

It has been 1144 days since the initial post, but who's really counting at this point..?

Currently quite a few of the top voted ideas have been implemented in Revit 2019 / 2020.

When can we expect an official response from Autodesk if this idea will be implemented or not?

At least it's under review. Emoticono feliz

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

Yes, this will allow us to have our shared parameters in our Template were needed to act like a prepopulated dropdown list. This should have been available from the start.

Advisor
Advisor

@mariusvanwyk2216  there's also an idea to have prepopulated dropdown lists as an option for parameters: https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/combo-box-for-parameter-attributes/idi-p/6315262

Anonymous

Another great idea that has been under review for over 3 years. What is the point of having a Revit Ideas board if things just get put under perpetual review. Surely after 3 years some direction must be apparent. Why are we paying subscriptions when basic multi-discipline platform ideas are just ignored for years at a time. 

Explorer
Explorer

The new Revit Public Roadmap has been posted (here) but the idea is once again not mentioned anywhere, meaning it will take a while longer for it to be implemented. When can we finally expect this idea to show up on the roadmap?

Advocate
Advocate

Any news for this ? It's been over three years in "under review" status for now. 

Anonymous

Would be extremely useful (along with being able to sort schedules by family/type)...

 

What's the status? Love that AutoDesk claims it's under review and we haven't heard a single word from them.

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

Its been almost 5 years.. must be very difficult to look into this very simple issue... so sad

Advisor
Advisor
Participant
Participant

Now if we can just move it from an accepted idea to a delivered idea!  Glad to see Autodesk moving with this idea!

Advocate
Advocate

@harlan_brumm (or anyone from Autodesk) four years ago back in 2016 you told us you would provide us with an update on this issue. I feel like we have been very patient so can you let us know if Autodesk is actually doing anything with this or if your response was just a cut and paste response to make us feel like we are being listened to.  

Autodesk
Autodesk
El estado se ha cambiado a: Accepted

Sorry all for not updating here.  We have decided to add this to our latest public roadmap for Revit - https://blogs.autodesk.com/revit/2020/04/20/revit-public-roadmap-update-april-2020/  

 

Again, apologies for not changing the status of the issue here.

 

Thank you

Advocate
Advocate

@harlan_brumm Thanks for getting back to all of us!!!

Is it considered also to make the KeyScheduleParameter itself a Shared Parameter? (for Tagging) - please

Advocate
Advocate

What's the ETA for this idea ? Thanks

Advocate
Advocate

What the developers are waiting for ? we are waiting since 2016...

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

every time you need to create a key schedule you need to create new parameters as you cannot use shared parameters. this adds to the endless list of project parameters.

 

Just not worth it... useless!!!

 

 

Explorer
Explorer

i dont know how this is not DEFAULT ?!?!?! aaand for multiple categories, how about? for example Wall Floors Beams together on one list. when come to concrete for example (C30/37, XC1 W0).. common parameters . i dont need 3 separate tables. this is ridiculous!

El estado se ha cambiado a: Implemented

We are pleased to say that this has been implemented in Revit 2022!

 

-The Factory

Participant
Participant

Awesome!!! Thanks!  ; )

That is Great News!!

Finally. Thanks Autodesk! Keep moving :cara_con_una_leve_sonrisa:

Explorer
Explorer

Great news! thank you very much Autodesk!

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

Great! thank you.

Collaborator
Collaborator

now it's in revit 2022

Autodesk
Autodesk
El estado se ha cambiado a: Gathering Support
 
Autodesk
Autodesk
El estado se ha cambiado a: Implemented
 
Observer
Observer

We shouldn't have to ask for something like that already

You don't it's already there... which makes me wonder if you are a bot... 

Observer
Observer
Hallo to you too.

I am sorry i didnt follow the 2022 updates because for some purposes we
need to use 2021 for a project.

So no bot here.

Well, you can sleep soundly knowing that you don't need to ask for it anymore...  :cara_sonriente:

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

this should have been closed.  They just added it in the last few versions.  I will try to see if he can close it.

Enthusiast
Enthusiast
So they finally added it it in 2022? Only took 10 years.. I suppose we should be thankful

I'm guessing it wasn't too high on your list of priorities then if you are just finding that out a year later? :cara_que_hace_una_mueca:

Enthusiast
Enthusiast
I needed it 4 years ago, I forgot about it and worked around it. My office doesnt use 2022 and I dont stalk the internet to see what the new versions have, usually they are useless updates that should have been incorporated into the program years ago



You sound awfully bitter.

Enthusiast
Enthusiast
Not even worth a response
Revit is a program I use for work. Theres a lot more to life than worrying about 1 function of a computer program..... maybe someone needs to get out more

And yet you still took the time to come on here to moan about it even though the issue has been fixed... go figure.