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Electrical wire Homerun Arrows

Please provide a method to change the size/angle of the default homerun arrow for Revit. We receive complaints from Contractors that the homerun arrows are difficult to see on printed drawings.

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Participant
Participant

Here's my feedback around this topic: Provide a global option in Electrical Wire Settings for the home run arrows (custom annotation family, similar to tick marks). Perhaps could be added as a wire-type setting, just like for leaders of text, tags, etc. When wiring circuits together, Revit displays additional arrows and it seems a lot would prefer to have control over the graphics to not display the more than one arrow and let the circuit tag give you the circuit numbers.

Autodesk
Autodesk

Thanks, dourevit.. your suggestion about additional arrows sounds like a separate issue. 

 

 

Autodesk
Autodesk

ahillard, and others that voded on this, in Manage > Settings > Additional Settings > Arrowheads, if you create a type that uses the Arrow Style = Arrow, do the settings there provide you with the graphical control to achieve the desired arrowhead result?  Or, is there some additional control that you'd require to achieve the desired arrowhead graphics?

 

 

Anonymous

martin, thanks for your suggestion, but to my knowledge, the Arrowhead settings have no impact on the graphics for the wire arrowheads. Wires automatically display an arrowhead when connected to a powered electrical device with a connector. To the extend of my knowledge, the wire arrowhead "homerun" size, angle, shape, etc., cannot be changed. I'm asking for a method or settings to change it.

Autodesk
Autodesk

Hi ahilliard-- sorry for the confusion.  I understand that these settings don't presently modify the homerun arrow... however, if they did, do they provide you the graphical control over the arrow that you would need?  In otherwords, instead of inventing a new UI and method of defining an arrowhead shape for a homerun arrow, does what is here fit the bill to provide the graphical manipulation you'd need?

 

 

Contributor
Contributor

Martin, 

I think the current graphical control for creating an arrowhead will suffice for creating a homerun arrowhead. We'd like to have more control of when the arrowheads are shown and how they are shown. For instance, when creating a multi-circuit homerun it shows two arrowheads, it would be nice to have an option to "Only show one arrowhead for Multi-circuited home runs". Similar to the way we have options for the tick marks.

 

Also, it would be nice to be able to group circuits together maybe in the panel schedule that are circuited together. Currently wires must be created to connect circuits together and for the Homerun arrow to report the multiple homeruns with a tag. 

Anonymous

Martin,

Yes, the same arrowhead controls would be good for homerun arrows.

Autodesk
Autodesk

Hi @glenwalson7986

 

As you mentioned "We'd like to have more control of when the arrowheads are shown and how they are shown. For instance, when creating a multi-circuit home run it shows two arrowheads, it would be nice to have an option to "Only show one arrowhead for Multi-circuited home runs".

 

Do you mean you would like to show one arrow in all multi-home run circuits but then tag the wire with circuit numbers? Does the behavior in following image meet your expectation? Thank you!

 

MultiHomerun.png

Contributor
Contributor
Yes, that is correct.

Posted with wrong account :cara_con_una_leve_sonrisa:

Anonymous

That's what I posted above a while ago (dourevit, 10-27-2016 10:07 AM) as well and was told it was a separate issue :cara_que_ríe_con_la_boca_abierta_y_los_ojos_sonrientes: Yes, that's what I was suggesting.

Autodesk
Autodesk

hi David-- indeed, it is a separate issue (e.g., each is independently addressable)...the benefit of separating them on the Ideas site here (which I should have articulated back then) is that other issues buried in the thread may only be valuable to a small portion of the users that find the original request valuable (or, the 'tack-on' request may actually be more important than the original)... having those independently voted helps with getting the data to support the changes.  Having them separated out may also help show a trend in a particular area for example, if x out of the top y number of items were all related to the same general area, and thus, perhaps of different value to tackle the issue more broadly, vs. a point solution.

 

In any case, the feedback is helpful, and thanks for coming back, no matter how many different accounts you wish to use ;).  

Anonymous

Haha thanks Martin, too many Autodesk Accounts over here :cara_con_una_leve_sonrisa: If you think I should open this as a separate wish, then I can do that. Since this wish was specifically dealing with graphics of home runs, I felt like it was appropriate to expand on the topic in the hope that both issues could be handled as part of one "fix" since they are so closely related. I don't recall seeing a specific wish dealing with my specific feedback at the time, but I'll do a search before starting a new one and vote instead if one does exist.

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Participant
Autodesk
Autodesk
El estado se ha cambiado a: Accepted

Hi Folks.. thanks for weighing in on this issue, we understand the pain point here.

Anonymous

Martin - we also need the ability to customize homerun arrowheads per circuit type.

 

Single Phase Circuit = Arrowhead #1

Three Phase Circuit = Arrowhead #2

Advocate
Advocate

 Martin if you still are monitoring this thread, I think there should be a parameter for the number of heads that will be required and yes a style for each.  My vote 1+.

Advocate
Advocate

Oh, and a param for middle or end as a style of course.

Autodesk
Autodesk

@Anonymous & @jaboone - i would recommend that you create separate idea threads for these additional requests... so that the community can vote on the need of these and we can gauge relative to other items.  Further, since the original idea at the top of this thread is already accepted and available for preview in beta, this thread will be closed when that functionality is released.  

Anonymous

Thanks, Martin - will do!

Advocate
Advocate

Including an option to fully manage / modify electrical home-run arrows in Revit future updates can gear-up little more for Electrical guys. Contractors often not ready to accept the default shape/size of this arrow in printed pdf.

 

Autodesk
Autodesk
El estado se ha cambiado a: Implemented

Hi All-- thanks for the comments, and for those of you that participated in our preview program on this. This request is being marked as Implemented, as the original request is now delivered in Revit 2020. 

 

There are new options for 'Home Run Arrow Style' in  Manage > MEP Settings > Electrical Settings. 

  • Home Run Arrow Style lets you specify a homerun arrow style, giving you control over the size and angle of the homerun arrow. 
  • Arrow for Multi-Circuits Home Run - provides control over where homerun arrows show up.
  • There is also a new option in 'Show Tick Marks' that provides an additional level of control over where tick marks are displayed.  

If there are additional outstanding requests, please post new Ideas for each individually.

 

2020WiringOptions.jpg

 

Anonymous

hello martin, how to customize the circuit homerun size and symbol?  like make it round or rectangle instead of default arrow symbol. Thanks

Autodesk
Autodesk

Hi @Anonymous  - The list of available Home Run Arrow Styles are defined w/ all the the other arrowhead styles:

https://help.autodesk.com/view/RVT/2021/ENU/?guid=GUID-61BAAF2C-7E6E-4A08-9DE6-96F07B28CAB9

 

Hope that helps,

MS

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

@Martin__Schmid  I understand that I'm late to this, but it would be extremely beneficial to further implement this, in my opinion.
We can more finely control certain aspects of the look of specific homeruns in the Properties toolbar (such as tick marks shown or not, arc/chamfer, etc). This isn't dissimilar to typical tags/text in that they have a "default" but then can be further manipulated at an instance level.

It would be great to define the default homerun arrowhead either:

  1. in the electrical settings, or
  2. (preferably) on a per wire type basis

In either scenario, the goal (as I see it) is that we could still on an instant basis select the specific homerun we're wanting to change, and have the standard drop-down menu as we see elsewhere for leader arrowheads.

 

Being able to differentiate a unique circuit/system by the arrowhead could be extremely useful for more complex projects. 

Autodesk
Autodesk
El estado se ha cambiado a: Gathering Support
 
Autodesk
Autodesk
El estado se ha cambiado a: Implemented
 
Autodesk
Autodesk
El estado se ha cambiado a: Implemented