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Non Printable Text, Lines, Workset or Phase, markups, task list.

Can we have a non printable Text.

 

Many times we need a reference text to be available to explain something, or just to jot down your thought while working to come back to resolve it..

 

Some dialog or text box , or like a markup on all types of views which is not printable but purely for people working on the file.

This will help so much while collaborating as well as people wont forget pending things.

 

Most of the time the brilliant idea gets lost cause it was not written anywhere..

 

While doing this we can also have  a list of these "to do things" ,

where we can assign task to users and shortcut to go

to that particular location to work on..

 

I am know am asking too much, kind of combination of PDF markups, Internet hyperlinks, Microsoft office task list, Schedule and property

of AutoCAD Defpoint layer which doesn't get printed..

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Contributor
Contributor

We could use no-plot lines in any view the way we used to use construction lines in CAD.  I can see them being the detail line version of a reference plane (Reference Lines?).  It would only exist in a view, would take priority for alignments over other linework or model components, and would never print.

 

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

It would be useful to have the ability to create non-plotting lines, text, dimensions, detail items, etc in a family, template or project, on a view by view basis.  This could be used to create guides, notes, instructions, etc for users to follow.  Similar to <invisible lines>, but in a project, not just a family, and with other annotation items, not just lines.

Advocate
Advocate

A non-plot linetype or color would be great. If we could just assign a color to annotative objects and know they wouldn't plot, we could improve the consistency of our drawings greatly.

Anonymous

Totally agree this would be so helpful.

Advisor
Advisor
Hi

We did find a way to have non printable text, but its odd.
First create a 254,254,254 "white" text
Then make your Revit background grey or black.

For link, do you mean url? You can add a hyperlink through shared parameter, I think.
For pdf markup, again we dont use it, bur instead create our own note and "cloud" which is invisible when its complete (why use if Dynamo)

Advisor
Advisor

Hi Yien 


1.Changing background and text colour to white is a good workaround. 

2.Sometimes I simply use a "Callout" and write note / info in the view attach to that call out.

and while printing we can always check " Hide Unreference view tags " not to print those call outs..

 

Cheer!

Advisor
Advisor

I'm fine with some sort of a Markup tool, but I do NOT want to replicate the AutoCAD nightmare of DEFPOINTS.

I like the fact that Revit is WYSIWYG and don't want to have to start explaining to people why they can see something on their screen, but not on the plot.

That's not even what DEFPOINTS was created for.

Collaborator
Collaborator

I think this is a good idea but that it should not be part of any of the tools that exisit. It might become annoying to track down why something isn't printing becuase it got accidentally set that way via the workset or anntation family type. 

 

I think having a new type of objects specifally for markups would be great. I also think it could match BIM 360 docs and have the markups flow back and forth bweteen the two programs, not not be required for either. 

Advisor
Advisor

You can use a Drafting View, defined as started view so everybody read (this also make the project opens faster), write there the notes, status, pendin stuff, last changed mades, etc.

Advisor
Advisor

1. (dplumb) We definitely don't want the nightmare of DEFPOINTS . Just something smarter like "unreferenced views tags" which shows up but we can opt to print or opt not to print.

 

2. (steve.thorne) The traditional way of working is have markups on pdfs, docs which everyone using and its hard to keep a track . specially multple users working and reviwing drawings becomes another task. Good you pointed  to have the " markups flow back and forth between two programs" that would be amazing..Linked markup files, ongoing, in progress, completed and easy to see the actual revisions whenever required.

 

3.(samuelsanf) Am currently using drafting view for starting view...

Ex: I have a central file with 5 linked revit. to have consistency on the drafting view, I have kept a " Reference notes, useful info" using " Project based Symbol" and it shows up on starting views of all the files. .consistent. So many advantages to have "Starting View"

 

4. We are already used to a. Reference point. b. Reference lines c. Reference planes....so probably something like reference text..

Advisor
Advisor

How about this Idea -add no plot parameter to filter?

Anonymous

I wish there was a way to markup sheets and views with non-printable (by default) notes similar to how many PDF tools allow you to enter comments. The idea is that you could highlight a portion of the view and associate a note with that markup. Clicking on the markup would reveal the note. Clicking on the note would highlight related markup in the page. 

 

I imagine that this could look something like the following illustration:

Revit notes idea.jpg

I think that this sort of facility would greatly improve review of drawings and save on mountains of paper being wasted every time someone wants to jot a little note on a drawing.  

 

This idea is related to and add to my other idea on managing complexity posted here.

 

cheers,

-tomek

 

Anonymous

You have my upvote, but for now a workaround for this is to place a view with the annotations on a sheet and just mark it up that way. It wouldn't be trackable but would at least allow you to just hide / delete the view comments once you addressed all of the markups.

Anonymous
Yeah. That’s what we do. Sort of sometimes.

I think that having an official tool gives legitimacy to certain work
practices. I realise that there is very little actual difference. It’s all
down to the people doing the work. But it’s hard to argue with someone who
won’t really do something because “it’s just your idea” :cara_con_una_leve_sonrisa:

cheers,
-Tomek

Advocate
Advocate

Not only does non plotting need to occur, there needs to be a serious revamp on plotting in general which I think is very crude and needs a lot of improvement.  I have no idea why users have not come up in arms about the mundane functions and layouts there needs to be.  Plotting in revit is like painting with high tech tools and pens then when it comes down to printing or exporting to pdf, is like trying to tell a child how to do some complicated task, which of course couldn't happen.  Please fix these things.  There is actually nothing more important than that right now, if all users can't figure it out easily.

Anonymous

Here's my idea:

 

  • Add printable property to worksets. If a workset is set to printable it prints. If not it doesn't.
  • Allow for annotations to be placed on their own worksets. And while we're at it, allow annotations to be filtered already.
  • The rest should be pretty obvious.
Advisor
Advisor

The ability to have a sticky note within a given view. If an element is selected then the sticky note will be attached to the element and can be viewed in other views. I.e. attach a sticky Note to a wall in plan and it can be viewed in Section/Elevation/3D.... Basically if it would be used note to relay information such as the reason an element has been positioned in such a way, request a change and what the change should be, screenshots references  (jpg, png, bmp...) from other sources like AutoCAD/Inventor.... You would then have the ability to create a schedule to control these notes and share this with a project team. This might involve either a special external program such as design review for members not familiar/unable to use Revit to be able to review and comment on?

Explorer
Explorer

Is there a way to create "no plot" objects like notes on sheets/views?

 

i.e. I'd like to create notes visible on the screen to myself + my team without having them print.

Advisor
Advisor

There is no such direct (default) option in Revit. But you can create a project parameter of (yes/no) visibility  type, then create a filter for the objects you want not to plot. Like here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSkHiob9zC8

It would be much easier if Revit would have such option implemented on saved selection sets.

Anonymous

We would just like a note for drawing development that could be toggled on an off (like unreferenced sections). This would allow the designer to put in notes to remind us of possible conflicts, the code a detail was developed or just a reminder that something has to be done. We would like to have this print on check sets but turn off on any prints send out of the office. Currently we use red notes for this that are deleted or hidden prior to plot.

 

Please no DEFPOINTS.

Community Visitor
Community Visitor

A non plotting type of text would be so helpful.  Maybe even a non plotting bullet point that expands into a text window to save space on the page.  Documenting changes on the page would prevent unnecessary rework and help to answer questions that arise from changes to the model that were made months ago.  It would be nice to have a name, date and short description associated with changes that you know will be questioned later on in the life of the project.

Community Visitor
Community Visitor

A non plotting type of text would be so helpful.  Maybe even a non plotting bullet point that expands into a text window to save space on the page.  With something tiny like a bullet point you can place it at the source instead of reading through a long list of all the accumulated comments on a starting view or drafting view.  It would be nice to have a name, date and short description associated with changes that you know will be questioned later on in the life of the project.  

Contributor
Contributor

I think team members should be able to provide notes and markups on sheets (each member can have their own colours) which are not shown on prints and pdfs.

Advisor
Advisor

Yeah, something like BlueBeam. Live remote collaboration. Remote drawing checks and markups. Live drawing patching for the construction site.

Contributor
Contributor
Yeseven for an engineering office itself by which drawings are produced
Contributor
Contributor

it would be helpful.

 

Collaborator
Collaborator

We need to have a blocked out area on a sheet for engineer stamp, scale bar, etc, that need to be in specific locations per client standards.

If there's a way to place those on a sheet in an exact location without snapping to something, I would like to know how.

Advisor
Advisor
Explorer
Explorer

@VMDO-ADMIN  Totally agree!! And I think that the global Autodesk / Revit community far in excess of "100 Votes" are also wishing that this feature had been included in one of the updates, especially considering other software had the capability generations ago. Please!!

Anonymous

Have a set of text notes that can be set to a certain color for marking up sheets for other team members to pick up during the redlining process of a project. These notes would either never print or be able to be put onto a workset that never prints. This could also be accompanied by revision clouds that would also not print. All similar to the NOPLOT later in AutoCAD.

I think this would allow for PMs/PAs to markup sheets live in Revit for staff to pick up redlines.

Advisor
Advisor

See this idea: Notes for team members - Autodesk Community

 

If feel they the same ask @kimberly_fuhrman-jones to combine your idea

Advisor
Advisor
Observer
Observer

Create a text type designers can put there internal notes on that will never print. 

Advisor
Advisor

@wr.marshall  Thank you!

@kkarmilovich  Thank you for your submission! I will combine this with the above suggestion.

 

-Kimberly

Contributor
Contributor

@kimberly_fuhrman-jones 

Thank you

Best,

Ehsan Ghassemlou

Observer
Observer

A way to make non-printing text for commenting drawings and views would be nice. For example in family editor it would be a convenient way to document the inner workings of a family and in complex projects it could be used to explain the logic of the model. 

 

The explanation about Revit being a "true bim program no layers hur dur" does not really hold water. For example it is essential for programmers to write comments with their code and construction documentation is not essentially different. Using different workarounds found in the internet is not sustainable as they would require a commenting feature as well.

 

Just simple property that works like visibility parameter would cut it so you could have tags that are visible but not printing and vice versa. Then you would for example tag an object with the actual tag showing in picture but also all the include any comments in easily readable format or write a bunch of comments in text for a colleague to follow in case there is something that is not finished or needs to be altered.

Advisor
Advisor

Adding this comment as a user.  Really agree adding non-plot text notes would be very beneficial.  This is going to be more than necessary going forward for our team as Autodesk still to this day has yet to figure out a way to create electrical systems for 240/120V 3PH, 4W systems with Hi-Leg Deltas.  However, extremely non-ideal, the plan is to have a work around using text boxes and opaque text overlap inside the panel schedules (would require manual load additions).  With that being said, a non-plot text note would be more than ideal to help so that future individuals working in the project know the situation and the manual work involved with loading for the individual panels.  

Explorer
Explorer

In Revit, we don't have plot option for line style like auto CAD. If we introduce this option we can TURN OFF the layer that doesn't required while printing.

 

Example: Let say., we are working on floor framing plan / detail and have some queries on particular location (may be require some updates on connection / information from Engineer / Architect etc.,)., we wanted to highlight / mark  this location with RFI line style to come back later in future once the query is addressed / got an answer. some time will not receive an answer in time - let say at the time of 50% construction document submission, but we wanted to share the PDF set with another discipline / owner for their reference. At this time we cannot share the PDF set with RFI lines to the other disciplines / owner, forcefully we've to delete these RFI lines to share to generate PDF and huge chances of loosing the problematic location. 

 

To solve this issue, we need to introduce an Plot option for line style., we can turn off this Particular line style in line style plot setting., Please consider this and if possible, please introduce this., this really helps a lot for many Revit users.

Advisor
Advisor

You can create view templates and then a schedule to control which view template a view uses.

Explorer
Explorer

A non-print text would be very helpful for making internal notes.  

Explorer
Explorer

Marshall, It's not about hiding the line type in the plan or detail., it's about the controlling the plot of particular line style without hiding it. Please read the Post in detail and then reply..

Advisor
Advisor

I get your idea and think it's a good one so voted for it. Though not ideal to quickly get the right printing settings as per my suggestion is create templates and schedule to control which template a view uses, until such time as if and when Autodesk might implement this idea!!!

Explorer
Explorer

Thank you Marshall...:cara_que_sonríe_con_ojos_sonrientes:

 

Observer
Observer

This would be super helpful! Also need to track revisions clouds that do not print in the title block.

Explorer
Explorer

I'm often making personal notes on my plans for myself or my team but don't want them to print. 

Advisor
Advisor

It also would be good to have one global parameter or checkbox to turn them on/off for printing. My personal notes sometimes should be printed, sometimes not depending on the audience. 

Explorer
Explorer

AutoCAD has the non-plot option in layer properties and has defpoints. This would be extremely useful in Revit when work-sharing so notes may be left on sheets and views.

Maybe this could be done with a yes/no parameter named "Visible on print" or something.

Advisor
Advisor
Advisor
Advisor
Enthusiast
Enthusiast

Maybe you can use Revisions to accomplish what you want? For every Revision round, you can choose whether the cloud, tag, or both should be displayed. 

Why not just a sticky note type tool. obvious note that can be moved around and added with different colored fonts ... even a checklist for accomplished tasks .

Advocate
Advocate

Lots of submitted iteration/variation ideas on this -- hope to see some version of this for Revit '24!  Especially with an ever-more persistent work-from-home environment.  

Excelente ideia! obrigado pelo envio @mwilson0927! 

Advisor
Advisor

Similar idea here

Notes for team members - Autodesk Community

 

If feel the same please ask @kimberly_fuhrman-jones to combine

Collaborator
Collaborator

There should be a way to toggle colored borders around these elements to communicate with team members the level of completion. For example does the roof plan sheet need work? Does the text in a legend need review? We are using a Bluebeam session for this communication but it could be built into projects and this would save us from exporting pdfs for bluebeam. It could be called team notes or something and be toggled on or off. This would effectively be a built in redline tool. Could really save time!

Advisor
Advisor
Collaborator
Collaborator

There needs to be a way to toggle 'redlines' or pdf style markups and team notes on sheets within Revit itself! Usually architectural teams are exporting progress pdfs then doing markups in a program like Revu or any pdf editor. The process is cumbersome and a waste of time. This seems like an easy feature and it would make a huge difference.

Participant
Participant

Need non-printing text for internal markups as well... publishing and / or marking up a DWF is too cumbersome and in a fast paced DD / CD phase becomes obsolete by the time the peer reviewer gets around to it.

Community Visitor
Community Visitor

Agree, I've been using Revit daily for over 5 years. Would really appreciate a text type that doesn't plot but is visible for other drafters. 

It would have been useful, please adopt more things from AutoCAD, like you did for mid of two points snap, learn from Autocad, it has a lot to teach you and a lot of things Revit could use to increase its productivity.

 

Community Visitor
Community Visitor

Auto-cad has a printer icon that allows one to not print or print by clicking a layer then the printer Icon clicking it on or off. Revit does not have any feature as such and it is a Hugh shortcoming for project managers, instead we either make pdfs and mark them up or use the "hide" feature so the notes do not print. And yes Bim has a markup feature but that thing is cumbersome and slow as snails crossing the roadway not to mention only those with Bim memberships can access a cloud based model.

 

I have been using hide by category or elements....a frigging ridiculous shortcoming in Revit along with many other issues, pretty obvious programmer's are building these platforms and not avid users. Having been a practicing architect and engineer for 30 years I can verse my opinion in stating Revit has a LOOONNGG way to go before it is the ideal production tool.

 

Considering the cost of both autocad and Revit I will take Autocad over revit any day as a more productive "production" tool. My firm is getting fedup with the costs of both of these and strongly considering other simpler

more universal production tools of which there are several.

 

Geese the crap we have to deal with in my profession.

 

 

 

Explorer
Explorer

We have many places in our projects where non-printed text or details would be really helpful -- both system families like Text as well as labels and details within a loadable family (to indicate some kind of information based on its properties). We have used various ways to get around this -- like color-coded components that are shown the same when printed in B&W, family components with visibility properties that are on by default and turned off manually before printing, or subtle, unintrusive indications that are printed, but really only need to be there for the drafter and would preferably not be printed -- but it would really be nice to have some sort of actual support for non-printed detail (and possibly model) components.

Explorer
Explorer

I think it would be helpful to have a text type that is similar to a no plot layer. This way I can make notes on the drawing for me and my design team without it printing or having to hide unhide. Maybe the font is blue or something so it stands out from other text types. 

Explorer
Explorer

I would like a non-printable text option. Basically, notes to add to views or sheets, where we have questions to each other about an area. We do this now, but when we print a progress set of drawings these notes show up confusing the project manager and owner. Essentially, I want to redline within Revit. I hope I have explained this well enough to get some votes. 

Contributor
Contributor

There are so many good ideas here for how this could be implemented: Reference Text, non-printing worksets, a specific "team notes" tool. 

 

This is more and more important as younger tech-savvy architects advance into managerial positions. We know how to use Revit. We're just looking for a simpler way to communicate with our team. Don't make us always resort to marking up PDF draft sets outside of Revit.

 

Revit is not WYSIWYG already; Reference planes, unreferenced view tags, scope boxes, and crop boundaries show on screen but can be easily turned off for printing.

Explorer
Explorer

Dear Autodesk,

 

    I would like to propose the addition of a no-plot layer or functionality for text and lines in Revit. This feature would greatly enhance our ability to manage non-printing annotations, reference lines, and other drafting aids within our models. By incorporating a no-plot layer, we can streamline our workflows, reduce the risk of unintentional printing of guide elements, and improve the overall clarity of our printed documents. This would be particularly beneficial for complex projects where maintaining a clear distinction between printable and non-printable elements is crucial.

Thank you for considering this enhancement to Revit.

 

Best regards,

Blane

Contributor
Contributor

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Enthusiast
Enthusiast

Just like @eramoy mentioned, non-printing elements already exist in Revit.

 

Graphic communication straight on the documents is crucial for any team of any scale.

In Autocad: Defpoints and layer option to be printed or not.

In the old days: Post-its

Revit: nothing

 

All workarounds I tried so far in Revit add steps to the process and easily get printed by error or get unseen or forgotten by the team.

 

Thanks

Advocate
Advocate

We have green reference lines and green reference planes. How about some green reference text?

Observer
Observer

Hi,
I would love to see a feature in Revit that allows users to select different objects, such as text, lines, dimensions, grids, etc., and place them into a category where they remain visible on the computer screen but do not print when creating PDFs or hard copies. While I'm sure there are plenty of workarounds from Revit enthusiasts, having this as a native feature in Revit would be fantastic. For instance, an architect could open a Revit model and add notes, lines, and dimensions that are visible to technicians for reference or markup but won’t appear in the final printouts.

 

Thank you,

Amir

Advocate
Advocate

Yet another example of where Revit is in 2024, less well developed than Autocad was a long time ago, with ideas like this 'gathering support' along dust and frustration.

Enthusiast
Enthusiast

I know that revit and cad aren't the same, but Please just do it. 

 

Or tell us/explain to us why it can't be done.

 

Thanks,

Mary